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Ratta&pippa
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Topic: AutopllotPosted: 15 August 2024 at 12:47 |
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Good morning all
As so many my autopilot is not reliable Lewmar is proposing a new engine MAMBA AUTOPLIOT DRIVE does anybody has experiebce with this solution? Thanks a lot Dirk |
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Mikko K
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 19:40 |
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Hello Dirk and all,
Since the day one I got my 588 in 2020 summer, I noticed that the steering was too heavy and in some conditions the forces got so high that the autopilot drive was unable to turn the rudder. This resulted in "No Rudder Response" caution due to the fact that the autopilot computer "asked" the drive to turn the rudder to keep the heading but the forces were too high and the rudder was not moving. This resulted in a sudden and unpredictable disengagement of the autopilot which was an unsafe feature and also a clear design deficiency of the steering system. At the time when the autopilot disengaged the steering forces at the wheel were very high and a lot of power was needed to even manually steer the boat. After checking thoroughly the steering system and rudder (and reading this forum...) I got to understand that the reason for the high forces is in the undersized gearboxes which could be considered as a root cause for the autopilot issues also - although it must be mentioned that the Lewmar drive seemed to be undersized as well...but the forces were just too high for comfortable manual steering. I tried to get answers and solutions to this serious deficiency for the whole warranty period without any sensible replies from the dealer or factory. As you all might know it is impossible to get any kind of customer service from the factory - actually it is impossible to get even any point of contact at factory to consult about possible issues. As the safety is the number one priority for me I decided to replace the critical parts of Lewmar steering system with the Jefa ones which is to my understanding the system which has been used already in 575 and the latest 588. I have test sailed this summer the system and so far I am very pleased with the performance of the autopilot as well as much lower steering forces when manually steering the boat. The costs for the following parts & freight were approximately 9500 euros (ex. VAT). No. Code Description 2 BRG10-67 Bevel reduction gearbox 1:6.7 including output lever 2 DL070080-30 100 series draglink, 700 to 800 mm centres, Ø30 mm tube 2 TLJ125 Tiller lever c/c250 mm, max. bore 125 mm, incl. bore and keyway 1 DU-WS200-12 Sprocket autopilot drive unit 200 Nm 12 volts 1 55000 TRS0126 - bracket without gearboxes 1 80247 Surcharge for customized tiller lever 1 55000 TRS1025 - special Hanse double flat sheave set (2pcs) Mikko
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Ratta&pippa
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Posted: 16 August 2024 at 11:10 |
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Many thanks for your advise, i will keep you posted how we will install all this
We are berthed in the bay off St Tropez. Port Grimaud) if you are in the neigberhood do not hesitate to contact me the Rosé is excellent here +32477351378 Dirk |
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Pzucchel
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Posted: 17 August 2024 at 09:21 |
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i have a biased comment here: i've broken three lewmar mamba in my 588. I've understood, over time, that it's definitely not suitable for our boat size. I still can't believe that hanse installed it on out boats as default (for a while, then they changed back to jefa). Just before an atlantic crossing, about 8,000NM ago, i installed one jefa. I've asked them to buy two units to keep one as spare, and they told me "you don't need the second one" in classical nordic understatement. The unit i had installed is still working perfectly, every time i check the chain there is no need of intervention and everything is working smoothly and fine.
Conclusion: If you really want to install on your initative the lewmar mamba just check the unit manual: it is clearly designed for smaller boats with the major piece made in plastic, even warranty won't apply! FYI: with the help/guidance from Arcadia, i had just replaced the lewmar drive unit with the jefa drive unit - not the chain and not the gearboxes. it implied some drilling and a spacer, but nothing "rocket science" or unreasonable. My suggestion: simply, don't do this mistake!
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Ratta&pippa
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Posted: 17 August 2024 at 11:00 |
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Thanks a lot
I will keep you posted Maybe just sell the boat Thanks dirk |
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Pzucchel
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Posted: 17 August 2024 at 13:23 |
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It is a fantastic boat... for about 4k you can put a jefa drive and you will be a happy owner.. every boat has weak points, this is one of the easiest to fix and there is a solution!
Fwiw, Piero
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Posted: 17 August 2024 at 15:59 |
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Thanks again which Jeffa did you installed?
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Posted: 17 August 2024 at 16:12 |
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DU-WS200-12
Jefa was gentle enough to ship it directly to my boat... If you want an email, just let me know and I can pm it to you. |
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Posted: 18 August 2024 at 18:49 |
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Hi, I’m new to this forum as I have recently bought a 588. I am having issues with the autopilot, it too ‘looses the rudder’ when higher rudder forces or rougher seas. This is very disconcerting and dangerous as if you don’t grab the wheel quickly you are all over the place.
I and my crew have also noticed heavy steering when the wind builds which is tiring after a while and I don’t have confidence that the autopilot will cope in anything over 15k wind - it seems to round up and let go. We are planning a circumnavigation next year and was considering how to fix the issue - is the autopilot set up wrong or something more expensive? Reading your posts gives me food for thought. My hull is #28 - one of the earlier boats from 2017.
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Hanse 588, hull no.28, 150hp Volvo, based in Falmouth, UK. Circumnavigation starts 2025 🤞
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Posted: 18 August 2024 at 20:05 |
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Which autopilot do you have? If you don't know, just take a picture of the drive between the two cabins...
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