Baby stay / Check stays

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   Dear all,

I am thinking about putting a baby stay (for an extra jib and storm jib) and check stays / running back stays (to prevent pumping of the mast at sea) on my Hanse 411.

I am discussing this with a local Sparcraft dealer and I am curious if anyone else has any experience with these additional stays?

I will post the feedback from the sparcraft dealer later.

Cheers,

Michiel

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samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Baby stay / Check stays Posted: 14 February 2008 at 21:23
	Dear all, I am thinking about putting a baby stay (for an extra jib and storm jib) and check stays / running back stays (to prevent pumping of the mast at sea) on my Hanse 411. I am discussing this with a local Sparcraft dealer and I am curious if anyone else has any experience with these additional stays? I will post the feedback from the sparcraft dealer later. Cheers, Michiel

Freo Doctor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 11 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote Freo Doctor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 February 2008 at 23:00
	Hi Michiel, I have the same problem on my new 430 and contacted Sparcraft through the Australian agent with their sugestion to attach a baby stay 1.5m above the top spreaders. I have been using the self tacking jib sheet attached to the bow cleats as a interim measure and it works well howeaver only mininal tension can be applied. The Sparcraft agent here implied that Hanse spars were built to a price not a quality standard to keep the boats price competetive indeed the first correspondence recieved from Sparcraft was that under no circumstances would they pay for any modifications I intend to install a Dynema baby stay and block and tackle tensioning device opperated from the cockpit so as i can release it during a tack. For cruising the baby stay could be used to carry a hanked on storm jib or spinnaker staysail. Hopefully this is helpfull and I look foward to your post. thanks, Rob

Alain & Anne Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 13 December 2005 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alain & Anne Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 February 2008 at 07:29
	Hi Guys, I have installed fittings for a forestay on our 430 Uhambo. (see picture). I have the deck fitting to be installed which is not very easy. The jib will work with the traveller when 105% genoa will installed on the furler. The stay will be in vectran-dyneema special. A pair of runners will comlete the set.
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Alex Faber Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 11 June 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 204	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alex Faber Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 February 2008 at 08:15
	At the Düsseldorf boat show I asked the German Sparcraft dealer where to put the attachment for a cutter stay to attach a hanked on storm jib. He advised to attach it just below the top spreaders. I intend to use Vectran rope attached to the bow cleats with a “tackle arrangement”. Interesting photo Alain! It looks that your cutter stay attachment is quite high. You also added one (or two) attachment point(s) above the fore stay. You are also not going to use the “spectacles” for your spinnaker/gennaker halyard(s)? Are you going to use a gennaker furler?
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Johan Hackman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 24 August 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 4361	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johan Hackman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 February 2008 at 11:26
	A few issues ago there was an article in Practical Boat Owner about fitting a removable forestay for a storm jib. I recommend that article if you haven't read it. I feel that the problem when the wind picks up is not that I don't have a third reef in the main but that the jib is too big. Reefing the jib is not a good option since it takes the shape out of the sail and the sheeting point gets in the wrong place. My sail maker has presented a solution where the removable forestay is attached as close as possible below the original forestay. The other end is attached to a fitting in the deck which is secured to the bulkhead between the anchor locker and the forepeak. Johan Edited by Johan Hackman - 15 February 2008 at 11:32
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alettaenmarcel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 15 August 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1246	Post Options Post Reply Quote alettaenmarcel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 February 2008 at 18:50
	Johan Do you have pictures of your removeble fore stay. My question is is it a true deck construction or just on the deck while it is so close to the fore stay? greetings Marcel

Johan Hackman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 24 August 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 4361	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johan Hackman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 February 2008 at 21:31
	Marcel, I didn't meant to imply that I have already got a removable forestay. I don't, but I am interested in maybe getting one. If the deck fitting is aft of the anchor locker it's going to be quite far from the forestay which is a good thing because it means that the foretriangle is moved aft. It needs to be a through deck fitting because it has to be supported by the bulkhead. Johan
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samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 February 2008 at 13:39
	Dear All, Our local sparcraft dealer is installing the removable baby stay right now. The top will be installed at the second spreaders. Also I will install removale runners. They said that this is mandatory when installing the baby stay. They will also make some other modifications: - seperate rail for the trysail - they will isolate the back stay for our SSB - install a different tensioner in the backstay. When everything is installed I will post some pictures. Cheers, Michiel

samba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 24 December 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 234	Post Options Post Reply Quote samba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 February 2008 at 21:20
	Dear all, Please find some pictures of the babystay that has been installed on our Hanse 411. The runners are installed in the mast (just below the top spreaders) but the dyna-one lines have not been installed yet. Kind regards, Michiel Edited by samba - 28 February 2008 at 21:23

alettaenmarcel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 15 August 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1246	Post Options Post Reply Quote alettaenmarcel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 February 2008 at 21:29
	Hallo Michiel Nice solution But is the fore stay only fitted on the deck ore is there also a stay ore reinforcement below the deck to the hull? It is a topic at this moment on the 400 part off this forum so it wil make somthing clear for others. greetings Marcel



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