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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote alidal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2014 at 19:09
I also have a Hanse 400 from 2010. My battery is in very good condition..... I have this charger:
Sterling Pro Charge D
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Battery: Victron 150 Amp, AGM
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2014 at 21:00
Hi,
Having a good charger doesn't solve any problem. The charger parameters need careful setup. If the boat is equipped with a charge current splitter (diodes) their voltage drop MUST be taken into account! In my 630 (equipped with such a device) the charger was simply set to AGM without increasing the voltage parameters by 0.65V which is the voltage drop across the heavy diodes. This resulted the batteries to be constantly undercharged untill we found the cause and reprogrammed the excellent SCYLLA charger.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wild Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2014 at 10:57
Hello
Our 545(same for the 470) 2010 have a complete other battery charging setup.There are no diodes(charge current splitter)I do have the complete wiring drawings for 540-545 and 470 from 2010.
Original the Victron Multi plus(we change to QUATTRO)charger-inverter charge, or when motor running the alternator,only the house battery bank 4x165 amp AGM,the starter batt is ONLY charged by the separated second charger output (4A)of the Multi plus charger and never by the altenator, and because the charger-inverter is constantly on,the starter batt is charged 24/24 hours by the 4Amp line.
The bowtruster batt (2x12V =24V)are charged only by a small Victron ORION charger-inverter 12V-24V DC-DC 360Watt(12A) who gets his power directly(not switched)from the house batt and give a constantly 27,6V.(The weakest point of the install IMO)
After 3 years when we started the new season the 4 Victron AGM housebatt. where complete flat.We use never wall power during winter and never disconnect the batterys cables complete for the winter,only switched of the engine and main batt switch and all the panel switches till now.
But in our system are serveral users(heating,aut.bilgepump VHF ,ORION inverter )connected constandly (not switched)to the housebattery bank.I believe one of these have use power during winter and empty the batt. By example if there is a small loss of power from the bow truster 24v circuit, the ORION inverter will running all the time to keep the bowtruster batt loaded even with the main switch off.
When we start charging the flat batt.they become cooked and destroyed.VICTRON reaction:This is normal when older(?) AGM batterys get complete flat even for one time,they are finish.And when the enviroment(we are in Turkey)is constant 30°C or more the AGM battery life time is MAX 2-3 years when you live a board for 6-7 months/year.
From now before winter we loaded the batt. full and disconnect all the battery cables and hope for the best.

Panos
So all three batt banks are charged complete separated I am shure there are now charge current spliters invalved.
I believe in this config we dont have to increase the voltage parameters(the charge setup is now:standard AGM-GEL)of the Quattro Charger?

Edited by Wild - 25 March 2014 at 11:44
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CharlesP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2014 at 11:25
Wild - is it possible for you to connect a solar panel for the Winter period and then your batteries will stay topped up. We have a permanent 35amp panel. Before this permanent panel, we fitted a temporary panel every Winter.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2014 at 19:09
@Wild. Of course if there is a charger per bank it is the best and the setup is straightforward.

I do not understand the need of multiple batterie banks besides the safety of a separate starter batterie. When I change the betteries next year I most probably will throw away the diodes and connect the new batteries as a single 700Ah X 24V bank. Since I don't like batteries connected in parallel either, I will use 12 2V cell used in forklifts. Each cell will be 700Ah X 2V flooded traction technology.
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Hi Wild

Interesting decision you have come to re your AGM batteries.

As you know we upgraded our DC system last year to Victron AGM's - starter and domestic - and fitted a new Balmar smart charger for alternator to battery charging to ensure that the AGM's are not overcharged. We also had to change our shore power smart charger at the same time.

We decided against using a solar panel for trickle charging during winter as the AGM's are supposed to hold their current for very long periods.

To quote from the battery manual

Because of the use of lead calcium grids and high purity materials, Victron AGM batteries can be stored during long periods of time without recharge. The rate of self-discharge is less than 2% per month at 20°C. The self discharge doubles for every increase in temperature with 10°C.
Victron AGM batteries can therefore be stored during up to a year without recharging, if kept under cool conditions.

Obviously one needs to take into account whatever else is draining the battery like bilge pumps, heaters, etc even after the main battery switch is turned off.

As we are 4 owners, we run the boat off checklists to make sure that all the owners are on the same page. One of our checklists is an end of season checklist. I am now thinking of disconnecting the batteries completely after fully charging them when the boat has been put on the hard for winter due to your experience.

Anyone else with other thoughts?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CharlesP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2014 at 09:53
When we store our boat for the Winter, our batteries stay connected and we are still visiting periodically. At these times, we switch on various equipment and instruments as we understand that this helps to keep the items dry internally and working. The solar panel will therefore recharge and keep the batteries topped up between visits. We will also connect to the mains with the shore power lead occasionally and run the boat heater, which will also recharge the battery. The battery monitor is a great help in being aware of what is going on.

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Hi Charles

Totally agree on the battery monitor - we fitted a Dutch WhisperPro which is small enough to have been fitted into the 12V panel and gives us everything we need to know in terms of usage.

Our boat is kept in Croatia and soon to be Greece - we live in the UK and South Africa so no chance of periodic trips during winter.

Boats like life are a compromise. We chose the AGM's for their low maintenance, low discharge, one type of battery for starter and domestic even though the AGM's are more suited as starter batteries. Generally smart chargers are better for a single battery type and so there were many compromises. If we were liveaboards, then our decision would have been different. 

I totally agree that conventional lead acid batteries are the best value and last longest PROVIDING they are maintained the way Panos outlined earlier.

   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Martin&Rene Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2014 at 15:35
We are fortunate at Largs in that we have direct access to power when the boat is ashore during the winter.  I bring the shore power lead direct into the boat saloon and then connect it to a 4 way extension lead block with the appropriate socket.  Into the extension block I put 2 timers.  One is on for a few hours every night for a low wattage heater.  A lead from the other timer goes back to the normal yacht shore power input point and I leave the battery charger on and the timer is set to run for 30-60mins per day just to keep the batteries topped up during the 3 months when I am away from the yacht.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Theo Hin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 April 2014 at 22:19
On my hanse 400 I encounterd also that the 2 victron 165ah batteries are drop dead after 2 years. The boat was launched in may 211 and exactly after 25 moths the batteries are broken down. It seems that more hanse yachts deal with this problem. I noticed also that the batteries do leak. See my photo.
The question is what did cause that the batteries do break down so quick, is it the sterling charger, is it a wirring problem in the boat or is the altenator on the volvo killing the batteries. I don,t know.
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