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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tobo2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2024 at 12:08
Opening the motor showed the damage: broken coils/brushes (s. pics). Comment of mechanics: "Not normal for a new bowthruster  of 4 years, maybe the motor was stuck for a while and and the first start the brushes were "glued" and the rotation broke them..." Lesson learned: start the bowthruster during the winter break.
Conc. the usage of bowthruster: We don't push more than 5-10 sec. and to be honest for normal harbour maneuvres without lots of sidewind you don't really need a bowthruster. The real threat are the mooring lines which often kill the propellers. I suggest to keep a spare set aboard. With a good diver they can be exchanged easily.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2024 at 13:30
I had the exact problem on my BTR 185 stern thruster. Broken brushes and a twisted bracket. I had to remove the rear assembly from the motor refurbish the bracket and new brushes. I never knew what caused it but it happened mid season so was not from sitting idle. I believe over current caused the problem so I now limit use. I will say that my 8.0 kW bow thruster has never had this problem even after periods of extended use. The 4.3 kW motor is simply not up to par. 
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My mechanics said that overheating is not really possible thanks to the thermal switch inside the motor. I think for the 508 the 4.3 kW version as a bowthruster is strong enough for 15 t yacht. We don't have a stern thruster - I never missed it. ("Simplicity is the key to success")


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2024 at 21:50
Yes there is a thermal switch but it won’t protect the brushes and and the commutator pads from repeatedly arcing. Thermal overload takes a bit of time. Over current can do damage quite quickly. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tobo2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2024 at 19:55
The end of the tragedy: the stator shows signs of rust, ergo new motor! Is this sh*t happens or Quick "made in China"?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2024 at 03:45
Mine was in worse shape and is now running well. The pads can be resurfaced with 500 grit paper and the rest is just carbon build up from arcing. However, since yours is at the the bow, it will to never be up to the task. The 6.3 kW motor is a drop in upgrade if you can get it. My advice is refurbish the existing motor and concede to minimal use, or spend your money on the 6.3 kW unit. SVB Germany is your best source.
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Thanks for the tipp. If we upgraded to the 6.3 Kw version the question is if the 2 batteries (each 80 Amp) would be strong enough? Of course we talk about the 24V type.
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Two 80Ah batteries store about 2kWh of energy (assuming you connect them in series to get 24V) so you are looking at about 20 min of continuous run of 6.3 kW motor, not much difference from 4.3kW motor which will discharge them all the way to 0 after 30 min of continuous run. If you want to keep 50% reserve capacity, then its 10 and 15 min respectively Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2024 at 13:44
Agreed. I have the same battery bank on my 8.0 kW and never a problem. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lide Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2024 at 12:31
Very timely thread. I have a bow thruster on my new to me Hanse 385. It is showing the same kind of issue that was on the video in the first post. I have taken out the motor. Pics of the motor below.

Now that I'm looking at it I'm wondering if I can bench test it by applying 12V. Any body tried that? Any ideas?

I'm trying to figure out if the issue is in the controller at the helm, the motor or the controller board at the thruster.


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