Charm and problems of H 630, Duly answer

Dear Fellow

I don´t think you have to apology, nor I think after 6000 miles and 800 engine hours the Judel/Vrolijk design is so good.

Let´s be honest with ourselves, will the hiding of problems help Hanse?

I´m compiling a list of the problems experienced in the last 4000 miles, basically an atlantic crossing and a caribbean island hopping. We are now in Puerto Rico and the list is-belive me- long.

50% of the problems involved the Sparcraft rig which after a serious examination of each part and overall performance is the work of a plumber on a week end project.

I´m looking for solutions other than replace the rig in full, but as I´m still working on it I´m just posting a new topic here in to work with other Hanse owners.

ZENCAP

sy.atanor wrote: Dear's ship owners of Hanse 630, I apologies to not to have spent enough words to describe the charm of this boat during my first letter, to make me forgive I will do’ it now. I need to underline the high nautical qualities, the unbelievable performance and the elegant lines of the 630 that execute the abilities to Judel/Vrolijk. This vessel is easy to maneuver also with few crewmembers and the pleasant surprise, she fly inclusive in the very light wind. Most of the materials used they are of good quality, however not always the assemblages are performed to rule of art and following the attached instructions. Despite, in conclusion she is a really beautiful boat. Nevertheless I have been enough amazed of the answer received from someone of you. It is probable that the experience that every one of us has had with Hanse and the seller is well different, as the attention devoted from the yard to find the solution at the problems of yours boat. It is also probable the analysis and the search of the imperfections was performs in different way. Skipping any personnel economic interest, is out of doubt that exist various problems to resolve before sailing safety with a Hanse 630, to ignore, it is not the ideal solution. For this reason I have offered to share my experiences with you, in less public and more discreet way. The perfection is not of this world, however of this world must be the humility to recognize the errors and find the solutions, trying constantly to improve. I hate to get into details, however you must know that, after two years and a half of stressful struggle, we are still waiting from the yard the solution of some of the serious problems what we have correctly communicated to them few months after the purchase. However in the respect of the safety rules and the common sense we have been forced to resolve many important defects of construction and assemblage in autonomous way and autonomous expense, with the help of specialized expert and technicians, after the yard has close de subject of the conversation with the magic sentence: STANDARD!! Enjoy your sailing, Gian Mario Santarelli Captain of Atanor

What luck. Just three days ago, loud bang and our rudder decided to fall off!!!

But like I said, luck, the autopilot system was able to save it from completely dropping off the boat. So with the use of the bow thruster for direction and the rudder hanging under the boat, we managed to pull into port. There were no markings on the rudder, which could have meant we hit something. We did find a part that held the rudder sheared off cleanly, which meant the piece failed. Please have your rudder parts checked. Would not want this to happen to anyone else.

I find this very serious and will be contacting Hanse for an explanation. I don't find it normal that rudders fall off boats!

By the way, the Bamar furling system has completely failed and we hope Hanse also will provide a solution for this problem.

No rudder and Genoa, bit difficult to sail the boat in those conditions...I am feeling quite let down, especially since neither Hanse, nor the Spanish importer are answering any of our requests for help...pity...

As for Atanor, I wish them all the best in their endeavors. I have seen the boat out of the water and with serious delamination and other problems. In my humble opinion, not much more can be done for that boat. Doubt No.008 will ever be returning to the water.

Sorry to be so pessimistic about this boat. It had so much potential, but sadly it fallen far short of expectations due to lack of build quality, but most important, the failure of certain importers to try to find solutions to those problems.

Does the boat sail well. Yes it does, when something is not stopping it from doing so. In the last three years, one was spent out of the water trying to solve some serious problems. Another was spent trying to sail, but finally pulling it out of the water for another 8 months to try to once again solve the problems. Finally, last winter, when it was expected to sail to Caribbean, it spent 5 months out of the water trying once again to solve more problems. Only to spend the last three months with constant problems and spending days on end in shipyards and marinas solving more problems. Culminating with the rudder falling off only three days ago.

Happy sailing for those who can...

I have seen that picture before. What is the story behind it and to which Hanse does it belong?

I don't like pictures being taken out of their context so I am eager to know.

Johan

The picture you see above posted by ZENCAP is from a 371! Zencap should have written this, this would be more fair!!!!
It has nothing to do with the problem from Athina Captain. Look what Johan wrote. Using a picture from somewhere without any useful commennt will lead into the wrong direction.

Look here

http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=701&KW=rudder+failure


Edited by Peter-Blake - 09 September 2010 at 14:48

Dear Fellows

Hey!...Wait a minute I haven't said this pic is from Athina. Did I?

Just for thr record. I can say now that similar delamination problems hapenned in a 540 in Spain.

this pic is NOT out of context. Nor I'm trying toi mislead anybody.

So don't take me wrong, We are not inventing anything. Do you want to see pictures of broken booms and vangs.....rusted cv joints, I have a good collection. All are real

All of them from HANSES

ZENCAP

Johan Hackman wrote: I have seen that picture before. What is the story behind it and to which Hanse does it belong? I don't like pictures being taken out of their context so I am eager to know. Johan

Edited by ZENYACHT - 09 September 2010 at 20:04