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Brad McMaster 
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 Posted: 06 March 2009 at 06:48 |
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Hi Steve,
No the winches are on flat surfaces without recessing.
The jib sheet as the uphaul for the pole is a great idea!
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TonyD
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 02:31 |
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Hi Brad, I'm not sure whether we have 54's or 52's for the primaries, our delivery note doesn't actually specify - I'll need to check and have a look next time I'm on board (later this week).
Another thought I had was to keep the 46 winches in their original position and upgrade them to electric winches which would eliminate the issues about trying to use a winch handle in their rear position. I would have thought the modification would be relatively simple with the winches above the lazarette & therefore clear below their mounting. Do you know if anyone has done this modification and if so whether its been successful ? |
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Brad McMaster
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 04:06 |
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Hey Tony,
I reckon you have 54's. Interestingly I was on the lewmar website the other day and they have a nice little resource that allows you to put in type of rig, select a line and the sail size relevant to the line you have selected and gives a standard spec recommendation for the winch and a maximum spec too. In all cases what Hanse as on board is OK, the only time it starts to look a little light is on the larger genoas we are all fitting and therefore having to run two sheets. The Lewmar rec is for 48s as std or 50s as max. So really not miles away. Note that was for a 55sqm sail.
Where Hanse have let themselves down is providing 46s for the sheets on a spinni. Using a 1600sqft gennekar or similar, lewmar suggests 54s. But if you use the 54s for that then the main sheet is on the 46s which is also a little light.
On the electric conversion i reckon you'll find that the cost is boarder line prohibitive considering they are still smaller winches, it is seriously cheaper to move the 46s or even buy new 50 somethings and install them fwd. Moreover the power consumption if you choose to do extended cruising is another consideration and finally on racing you can't use electric winches to trim, only to raise sails and or reef them, or at least that is the rule in RORC racing.
We looked at the elec conversion back in the UK and where quoted something like 1500 to 2000 GBP PER WINCH!!!!
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TonyD
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 05:19 |
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Ouch on the upgrade! I'm sure the change wouldn't be any cheaper in Oz - most items seem to be cheaper in UK or US. So I guess we're back looking at a new winch - I think it would work well with just one extra 54 (definitely electric) for the main sheet.
We're not too worried about the racing issue (ie. electric) & if we do get into the racing I guess we'll buy a few winch handles. So do you know how Hanse expects an owner to run the sheets for an overlapping jib - are they supposed to run to the rear (& awkward) 46's? I've also put the question to our local agent, Windcraft, and awaiting reply. Cheers & thanks. |
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Brad McMaster
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 09:56 |
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Beats me i guess they spec'd it with the delivered sails in mind but then again on the spec sheet gives measurements for a 105% genoa.
It is a shame that the options list doesn't allow for an upgrade to winches aside from the elec. upgrade. I'm fairly sure many of us would have taken it!!
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panos
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 10:12 |
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Hi,
I know some 540/531's who installed extra winches. You can read about them in the 540 section. Personally I considered to install additional winches (for racing) but the idea was dropped after we tried the boat. In the 630 there is enough room to use the secondaries for the jib which are up to the job. Now we are considering to install a captive winch for the main sheet instead of the German sheeting used. This will free the primaries for the jib and allow real push button sailing! What we found out is that if we relocate the hydraulic boomvang /backstay control panel, the cockpit will be better arranged. The hydraulic panel operator has no room to work, since the panel is very close to the winches and the boomvang requires constant attention, since the boat has no main traveller. Edited by panos - 09 March 2009 at 10:15 |
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Richard108
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 10:44 |
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Panos Do you use a winch to secure your check stays (running backs). If not how do you tension and secure them? We ended up adding 4 x 65st winches to our 540 (giving us 6 winches in total) and removing the 2 aft 46st winches. We love the flexibility they give us especially when using the overlapping 108% headsail which we use 95% of the time, our boom brake for when where are offshore, running backs, reefing etc. As Panos says you can read about these extra winches on the 540 forum.
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Regards Richard
("Moksha" 540 #115 delivered Sept 2007) Pittwater, Sydney, Australia |
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Brad McMaster
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 11:14 |
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Holy cow that is a lot of winch!! I dare not ask how much it was knowing that just one 54 is circa 1300 quid!
A great upgrade though.
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TonyD
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 11:26 |
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Hi Richard,
We're not using check/running stays. Windcraft (the agent) apparently had some set up temporarily when they took Silhouette up the NSW coast to Sanctuary Cove for the QLD Boat Show. The way we sail it would probably be a little extravagant to have 6 but would be nice to have 4 x 54's (470 equivalent). Good point on the other forums as I think Brad & Panos also said - will look into it. I'll see you out there on Thursday night for the last of the Twilights! Cheers. |
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 11:30 |
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Hi Panos,
What do you mean by captive winch for the main sheet? Does that mean just dedicated to the main? How does that change your sheeting system? |
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