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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2026 at 16:01
Mainer, have you reached out to Sta-Lok or Selden (reseller) about the mode of failure?  Your photo may indicate evidence of some kind. I’m no expert but it looks like the fitting did not fail but rather the wire itself. I’m wondering if the below deck installation of the furler accelerated corrosion. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mainer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2026 at 07:52
Hi Leon, you’re right that the fitting itself looks intact — the failure was with the head stay cable that fits into it. The corrosion that I can see is most pronounced in the inner core of the cable (the 1 + 6 strands that sit within the wedge component of the sta-lok). For reference, the failure point is above deck but shielded from view by what Selden/Furlex calls the adaptor tube, a big cone of stainless steel that sits on top of the lower bearing assembly. There’s no way to see the connector without completely disassembling the whole thing. I don’t see any evidence that sealant was applied to the cable to prevent corrosion and the installation instructions from Selden don’t mention it (they do recommend using loctite on the connector threads to secure it). Searching the internet however (e.g., https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/mechanical-rigging-terminals-to-seal-or-not/), many folks do recommend using sealant to prevent this problem.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pzucchel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2026 at 10:44
i am happy to share my rigging "history". 

in 2020, some expert but self-assured sailor kept running the electric winch badly to furl the jib. But the swivel at the top was not rotating, because the forestay was not tensioned enough...we stopped too late the brute force attempt. To a more careful analysis, we noticed that the furling jib swivel had transfered the rotation torque to the forestay, and the steel therefore unwound: it was visibly deformed in the area near to the swivel - see pictures. Story short: I had to replace the forestay, and since then i always start my furling manually - shifting to electric winch when i lose my breath.... the pictures explain more than a thousands words. 

My message: if you don't understand why it broke - point the finger towards the electric winch!






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marsella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2026 at 12:21
Mainer - did you find a suitable rigger in Grenada? Pay attention to the location of the installation site since those masts are very easy to ship from US to Caribbean by ocean cargo but next to impossible to transport them over small island roads due to their lenght. Either it has to be all done by sea or you can order a two piece version (Selden has this) which are sticked together afterwards.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Black Diamond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2026 at 21:30
Scary story.

I had my rigging inspected (getting too old to be going up the mast) and it checked out but who knows?

Wondering if the spare spinaker halyard might have done something to help.  Rather than clipping it to the rail (or whatever),  would securing it to a deck fitting or the bowsprit d-ring have halped carry some of the load?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2026 at 22:13
Rick. The furling drum needs to be removed to look at that Selden Sta-Lok. First thing I’m doing when I get back to the boat. I agree that a spare halyard (pre-rigged) to the bow with good tension could have saved the rig. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pzucchel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2026 at 06:34
single point of failure... despite the incredible performance of rigging , taken care of its limited weight , I always thought it's a design that is intrinsically limited by this flaw (and probably the reason why aviation has moved away from tension -based rigging ).

I recently made the calculation of the forces on the lateral rigging for my own understanding on how much heeling makes sense. I came to the conclusion that , on our boat , an upwind 35kt wind and heeling at 30 degrees nears the dynamic load limit (I used the momentum to right the boat to assess how much force is on the lateral rigging).

does anybody agree/disagree ?




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Black Diamond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2026 at 09:14
He actually had removed the drum.    We were having some "fun" with it not rolling after a certain point.    I crawled into the sail locker... moved everything out of the way to get to the anchor locker (where our TD version sits of course) and couldn't figure it out.    No riding turns, no poor leads, etc..

It turned out there was some kind of rmovement for the drum that caused it and my rigger did the usual embarrassing "there... all set" with one 3-second move of his hands..  While there... he said "I might as well look at things"....

The old joke about $5 to actually do something and $400 to know what to do and where...


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 March 2026 at 08:14
Hi Mainer

I'm very sorry to hear this. So relieved to learn of no injuries.

I have no helpful advice to contribute. I hope you are soon sorted. 

Best wishes


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kipwrite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 March 2026 at 11:51
This mishap raises an important question on the replacement cycle for wire rigging. 

After ten years, at minimum annual rig inspections, and about 26,000 miles on my '16 505 Lilia, with regular offshore passages, and a few broken wires on a lower diagonal, my rigger strongly suggested I replace all the standing rigging. His rule of thumb was 15 years, or miles equivalent to a circumnavigation. The broken wires were in his opinion a warning - of potential corrosion hidden under all those fittings. 

Took his advice. Selden FL made up the new set at a reasonable cost One less thing to worry about for a few more years. 
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