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Arcadia
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Joined: 27 November 2017 Location: Sag Harbor, USA Status: Online Points: 1112 |
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Posted: 13 March 2026 at 03:23 |
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Piero, your conclusion seems accurate and not the margin of safety that I’ve always assumed on the rigging. At 30 degrees of heel, I calculate a load on the cap shroud of about 40 percent of breaking strength. At 50 degrees of heel (maximum load), I get about 50 percent of breaking strength. This is based on Hanse published stability curve and static load. Well done for chasing this down for us.
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Pzucchel
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Joined: 13 March 2020 Location: floating Status: Offline Points: 659 |
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Posted: 13 March 2026 at 04:44 |
hi Leon , scaring , isn't it ? and we perfectly know the difference between a rigging in PERFECT state and a real one. Corrosion , cable crimping: the weakest element of the chain will determine the global rigging failure . I give you another hint for an interesting calculation: euler' s column buckling. compression load reduces the mast resistance to deflection ... I have quite thought to it , this is the mode of failure of the mast when the static rigging fails or it is not well tuned . ...and going back to the rigging , add the other dynamic forces now. A boat that heel under sailing has the mast pulling the boat forward. but a boat that heels significantly increases its drag, so beyond the lateral rigging the LONGITUDINAL rigging is under higher stress ... I wouldn't mind if you could think to my calculation and find out if I got it right ! you can find it here : https://galvanicworks.com/2026/02/10/heels-and-heeling-the-physics-of-looking-good-while-going-bad/ I didn't say it yet , but all my kudos to Mainer. living and managing a dismasting is probably one of the top three stress events a sailor can undergo. you're now one of my involuntary heroes ! 🤣 in preparation I had an electric disc cutter initially - but I found something better . There is a very smart device that is a wire cutter that works like an hydraulic crick but it's mechanical . every time you close it completely , it becomes slightly smaller around the wire ...and cuts out wires like butter (I tried it ). it was suggested to me in south of France from an ex military sailor , I had never seen it before and I can't even find a name for it ... it only works for wires , but I thought about myself with an electric disc cutter on deck in a storm with cables swinging around ...worse than a horror movie, let's change channel ... addendum: as some of you may remember, I had a double steering cable failure last summer on my 2017 boat that required a pan pan. there is a common element here, and a lesson for all of us. steel cables do corrode and suffer from fatigue ...fresh water washing, grease , inspection, inspection , inspection... Edited by Pzucchel - 13 March 2026 at 05:19 |
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Mainer
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Joined: 05 January 2023 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 59 |
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Posted: 17 March 2026 at 20:07 |
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Thanks all for the additional inputs. One of my key learnings is to store away a lot more than 3 cutoff disks for the angle grinder. With all of the chaos happening, I quickly broke the first two and was scared of losing my last one. Get a dozen!
My wife and I took the US Sailing Safety at Sea course a couple of years ago and were very glad to have learned what’s likely to happen when a dismasting occurs and what to do about it. During the course, the instructors had hoped to show folks how to use a hydraulic line cutter (which is what I think you’re talking about, Piero). It turned out that they couldn’t find a functional cutter within a day’s drive of Marblehead, MA. FWIW, one of the things I had to do was to cut through the 5-inch diameter sausage formed by the furled jib wrapped around the furler foil. The angle grinder managed this quite well and I doubt the hydraulic line cutter would have done anything.
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Mainer
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Joined: 05 January 2023 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 59 |
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Posted: 17 March 2026 at 20:17 |
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Based on feedback from several folks and constraints imposed by our insurance (which defines the hurricane exclusion zone as everything south of Hattaras after July 1) and the realities of making repairs in the Caribbean (it’ll take months to get a mast here), we’ve decided to motor to Antigua and put Bonny Doon on a cargo ship to Newport RI. Does anyone have experience transporting a 575 by cargo ship? — we’re looking for docking plans and specs that Hanse doesn’t seem to make readily available.
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marsella
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Joined: 21 June 2022 Location: Antigua Jolly H Status: Offline Points: 592 |
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Posted: 17 March 2026 at 22:01 |
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Sounds like you have a working plan and the weather in Caribbean looks good for the next 10 days or so. I dont know about 575 but I managed to move 458 from Greifswald to Antigua by SevenStar, they just put it on a standard cradle. So I think you will need to find large cradle for regular cargo, or do it with SevenStar which have those. Maybe you can try to rent a cradle in a boatyard here? Let me know if you need any help, I will be in Antigua till April 1. Their customs have a complicated bureaucracy, so everything is done by customs brokers like Bryson Shipping
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Wayne's World
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Joined: 18 July 2012 Location: Cruising Status: Offline Points: 1434 |
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Posted: 18 March 2026 at 05:38 |
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I have just noticed this thread. We have been on holidays back in Australia for 6 weeks. Mainer, sorry to hear about your problems. Our boat has done about 40,000nm over the last 12 years and we have had yearly inspections for about the last 6 years. We had two of those done by FKG in Sint Maarten and they found a minor issue with a ferral on the backstay and replaced the cable. The next year we discussed with them about replacing the headstay because as they said it can't be inspected fully unless it is removed. So, we decided to replace it as well mainly because we were heading to Panama and across the Pacific that year. We are currently in Fiji and will be home in Aust by the start of cyclone season this year (end Oct) and we will probably look at replacing the standing rigging once we are there. I haven't heard of many rigging issues with the Selden 575 rig except for the Pzucchel's problem. Good luck with the fix.
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Pzucchel
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Posted: 18 March 2026 at 05:42 |
my device is not hydraulic but mechanical . said this , it would have miserably failed with the 5 inch sausage , thanks for the information !!!
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