Forestay removal-updated 4

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   Hi Richard,
80mm is not possible to take up with the backstay tensioner!  We've three racked back spreaders, I'll have a look at the 461 and see as location of top mount may be different too.

I believe that my furler has been released, may be on the slow boat, but at least gone prior to the French going on holiday.  So I'm hoping when I get back from Ireland (Eire) at the weekend, I can re-assemble and get sailing again and look for another window to take NK west for a few weeks.

Edited by JonB - 15 August 2021 at 20:55

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JonB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 21 September 2010 Location: Cowes Status: Offline Points: 504	Post Options Post Reply Quote JonB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 July 2021 at 08:56
	Hi Richard, 80mm is not possible to take up with the backstay tensioner! We've three racked back spreaders, I'll have a look at the 461 and see as location of top mount may be different too. I believe that my furler has been released, may be on the slow boat, but at least gone prior to the French going on holiday. So I'm hoping when I get back from Ireland (Eire) at the weekend, I can re-assemble and get sailing again and look for another window to take NK west for a few weeks. Edited by JonB - 15 August 2021 at 20:55
	Jon B 470e http://www.norse-king.blogspot.co.uk

JonB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 21 September 2010 Location: Cowes Status: Offline Points: 504	Post Options Post Reply Quote JonB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 August 2021 at 19:47
	Good evening all, So the Fastnet left Cowes in blustery conditions and the later boats had wind against tide to contend with as they approached Hurst and the Needles. Is it just me or should the race committee think slightly more outside of the box, yes they moved the big boys from the back to the front, wise move in those conditions, but why not start earlier too and yes the tide would've been against them, but it was in any case unless you started later! Anyway I've finally received the package from the French via Euro Spars in Plymouth, Adrian being very helpful. The difference in the effort to twist the furlers by hand is a joke, all I can say is that if your finding it hard to furl in and may be use the winch it's time to change your gear. I spotted after I fitted it that its 180 degrees out the tack swivel at the bottom with the brown ball bearings swivels in front not behind! Oh well backstay off and shrouds loosened once more! I have used a compound between the aluminium and the stainless steel bolts but I'm hoping not to have to replace it again!
	Jon B 470e http://www.norse-king.blogspot.co.uk

Alexmass Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 22 October 2021 Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alexmass Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 October 2021 at 13:29
	Exactly, you need to make a good effort Adrian said the same to me, but I finding difficult to twist without quite a bit of force! This summer we were in Spain, in Valencia we had a rest. We rented a motor yacht and sailed on it to the Canary Islands. At first, the steering wheel did not obey well, but gradually everything worked out. I don’t know what the problem was, but our tour went without any problems. Edited by Alexmass - 23 October 2021 at 21:57

richarddaltry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 29 August 2020 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote richarddaltry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2022 at 14:37
	Hi Jon, So after all my troubles last season at the top of the forestay I seem to be having a similar issue to your what you described with the furler drum itself. Basically it goes very stiff on for about a quarter of a turn, then easily round the next 3/4 and stiff again. Very annoying after having the rig out last year to sort the foil and forestay length. Furler seemed fine then Starting to think about the fix and re-reading your post and getting depressed about having to replace the whole unit I did a bit of googling and found this thread on the Jeanneau forum; Facnor genoa furler servicing/overhaul \| Jeanneau Owners Forum (proboards.com) I wondered if the LX200 has the same issue and fix. Did you ever hear from Adrian what might have been the cause of your issue? Thanks, Rich.

JonB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 21 September 2010 Location: Cowes Status: Offline Points: 504	Post Options Post Reply Quote JonB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2022 at 22:01
	Hi Richard, It seems such a long time ago but everything is connected and I've had the rig tensioned and ready to go. What ever go means! I'm hoping to take NK across to Portugal this year so updated quite a few more bits including the radar, in case French fisherman opt to turn their AIS off! Hopefully you'll get some decent sailing
	Jon B 470e http://www.norse-king.blogspot.co.uk

JonB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 21 September 2010 Location: Cowes Status: Offline Points: 504	Post Options Post Reply Quote JonB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2022 at 22:05
	Hi Richard, I replaced the whole system which included removing the forestay as I needed to cut it in order to get to the system. Aluminium v's steel bolts, why do they do that? I'm hoping that the new system will last another 10 years
	Jon B 470e http://www.norse-king.blogspot.co.uk

richarddaltry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 29 August 2020 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote richarddaltry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 January 2022 at 15:48
	It seems like the odd poor material choice and poor galvanic isolation is a bit of a theme with some bits of the Facnor setup. Portugal sounds great! Will you visit the Spanish Rias on route? If I can squeeze it in between work needs I'm looking at trip to Fort William this year with some colleagues to try our hand at the sailing three peaks challenge and then West Country for summer hols with family on the way back.

JonB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 21 September 2010 Location: Cowes Status: Offline Points: 504	Post Options Post Reply Quote JonB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 January 2022 at 22:18
	As I understand it from Adrian, Facnor made the decision to produce low/no maintenance gear that would last. Sounds great and it is but the words 'would last' is looked into what does 'would last' mean, give a time frame ? Other systems aren't so robust and require attention much more frequently to wash out the salts, so some require after every trip or race, certainly not what a cruising person wants for sure. We will be stopping at Bayona, but other than that it's all Portugal, unless I push on to Gibraltar and Ceuta, old haunts I'd like to visit whilst that way. I've two friends that have entered the race for the past 5 years, so if you need any helpful advice ask away.
	Jon B 470e http://www.norse-king.blogspot.co.uk

richarddaltry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 29 August 2020 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote richarddaltry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 February 2022 at 09:12
	Well, I got to the bottom of my problem. A missing bushing at the bottom of the telescopic section/top of the furler drum. Quite a critical component! No idea how the riggers missed it, they must have somehow forgotten when the reassembled last year. However, very relieved my bearings seem fine and appears to be an easy job to fit a new bushing as it's split in two half's.. The drum was pulling off towards the furler line and binding on the forestay. Luckily the forestay has not been damaged. Yes, good point on Facnor approach, it is extremely hard to engineer something guaranteed to last in the marine environment at a sensible price. So my furler drum at 16 years old with basically no maintenance is pretty impressive. Let's hope it keeps going!
	Rich Hanse 461 #61 "Mako of Hamble"

JonB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 21 September 2010 Location: Cowes Status: Offline Points: 504	Post Options Post Reply Quote JonB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 February 2022 at 11:18
	Hi Rich, Always nice to find the cause, even better when it's not a costly fix. It may have been a simple case that it fell out when they brought it down, (if removed) and they didn't notice it so weren't expecting to put it back! That you'll never know!
	Jon B 470e http://www.norse-king.blogspot.co.uk



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