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Cablecar 
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 Topic: Sheeted Jib vs Self TackerPosted: 18 November 2024 at 18:31 |
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Does anybody have any experience with changing over to a sheeted jib on the 415/418?
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Cable Car
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Posted: 19 November 2024 at 13:27 |
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I have been wondering about the same. Especially in light weather, I think a larger jib might make a lot of difference going up wind. Would be very interested to hear from anyone with a sheeted jib
S/V Ventus Hanse 415/314 Boston
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jpbsolo
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Posted: 20 November 2024 at 01:44 |
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I put a carbon jib on my 415....made an enormous difference to upwind sailing but tends to be overpowered above 15 / 18 knots ...has been a godsend racing
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Dubs2021
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Posted: 11 December 2024 at 00:10 |
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Considering this also for my 348. The challenge is our shrouds on both models are outboard, so did you run the sheets inside or outside the shrouds? Inside: the increase in sail area would be less. Outside: the ability to run close to the wind might be less. How much sail area, by percentage, did you gain, versus the self tacker? Thanks and happy holidays!
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jpbsolo
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Posted: 11 December 2024 at 03:18 |
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The jib has to go inside the shrouds ...there should be aluminium plates beneath the coach house gel coat ...there should increase in sail area isn't huge , I believe it's a 101% jib...but the carbon stiffness and sheeting to almost the deck makes a big difference...the trick is to find and map the position of those plates in the Gelcoat ...I used a serious metal detains mapped it out the drilled and tapped the plate using Seldon tracks ...be careful
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Posted: 11 December 2024 at 04:30 |
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I used this to locate the aluminum backing plates: https://www.zircon.com/tools/metalliscanner-m40/
It worked amazingly well and mapped out plates that exactly matched the Hanse drawing dimensions.
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TouchOfGrey
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Posted: 05 January 2025 at 13:33 |
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Hi Cable Car,
In the 418 there are no aluminium reinforcements in the deck next to the raised cabin. On a beam/broad reach you could attach a block to the shroud connections and run a sheet from jib - extra block - aft winch. This improves you sail position quite a bit. We actually use the self-tacking jib the most, and on beam/broad reach with max TWS 12/18 knots we use a Furlstrom sail from Elvstrom. Fantastic addition, it's been our Turbo on may sailing trips. Henk |
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Matt1
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Posted: 05 January 2025 at 19:54 |
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Henk is right, whilst the 415 did have reinforcement, as far as I’m aware there is none in the 418 for some reason. But I have seen video of a 418 with a Genoa (I’d guess around 105%) so somebody has managed to do it. I assume they reinforced the underside of the deck by removing the headliner, but how they tie that to it through the halliard covers is a mystery. I’ll try and upload a picture
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Matt1
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Posted: 05 January 2025 at 19:58 |
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Posted: 06 January 2025 at 01:14 |
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I was able to track down the owner of Vellamo just before Christmas. He is in New Zealand. When he gets a chance, he said he will get me some photos of the jib track installation on his boat. Fingers crossed. I'll update what I get when I get it.
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