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Issywa
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Topic: SD50 SaildrivePosted: 11 September 2025 at 07:35 |
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I currently have my 430e hauled out for new bottom paint. Planning on trying out the Silic One product. I have heard both good and bad about it - hopefully good prevails.
While the boat is on the hard, I also will do the diaphragms as well as all the other seals on the SD50. I am concerned about the longevity of the SD50 as it's 17 years old with approximately 1600 hours on it. Given that the SD50 needs to be removed, I'm wondering if I should just replace the unit with the SD60 as I will already have incurred a lot of "sunk costs" associated with the switch. Would love to hear from those of you that have done so and how that has turned out? |
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Posted: 11 September 2025 at 12:56 |
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I replaced my SD50 (Hanse 400) in July. The SD50 leg had corroded badly. It was an expensive switch but straightforward once I had sourced the necessary parts and researched / asked questions on this forum. A few points to note which you may find helpful:
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MartinR34
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Posted: 11 September 2025 at 12:58 |
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Will also be interested to hear how you get on with the Silic One. I was going to use it, as a lot of my hull was back to bare gelcoat so not too much prep required. However, I have heard mixed reviews and in the end went for three coats of SeaJet 034 Emperor antifouling.
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Posted: 11 September 2025 at 18:35 |
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I've detailed concerns about my own SD50 elsewhere on this forum but, helped by advice from others here, have got over them. As a result, a couple of things come to mind.
Firstly, although the forums can be great there is a tendency for them to detail 'the sum of all fears'. You read of the troubles others have had and understandably worry about your own situation. Yet you'll never read about the far greater number of others that have never experienced the same malfunctions. With specific regard to the SD50, yes; the cone clutch is a well known PIA that needs regular lapping - but there's a fix for that with the upgrade kit for about $750. Mine has worked flawlessly for many hundreds of hours since upgrading and the available literature suggests this will extend the life of the clutch well beyond Yanmar's recommend for replacement at 2000 hours. Even if you did replace the clutch, the cost isn't that great. Much of my concern for my SD50 was a result of poor professional advice verging on the negligent. I got a 2nd and confirmatory 3rd opinion and it turns out I needn't have worried at all. Mine has now done 2000 hours and is running perfectly well. My second point is the familiar 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. I went through a very similar thought-process to you so I understand your situation but if your SD50 is running fine - and given the option of the well-regarded upgrade kit - why go to all the hassle and expense that Martin has helpfully detailed? With regard to the Silic 1, I changed to that 3 years ago after I had the SD leg epoxied as per Yanmar's recommendation; the difference was remarkable with much lower levels of fouling. However, to put that in context, while Portsmouth Harbour is among the worst locations in the UK for heavy fouling we actively cruise for 5 months a year covering a lot of miles, so the way a boat is used might explain the disparity in the results you found. That all said, if you choose to save your money by not getting the SD60, your boat will soon figure out another way to reduce your bank balance by at least the same amount. Good luck! Iain |
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Posted: 11 September 2025 at 19:47 |
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Great post Iain. Full of helpful insight and thoughts.
I had no intention of swapping my SD50 when I viewed the boat. However, the boat had other ideas . I had my lower leg inspected by a specialist who initially suggested a refurbed leg only due to the extensive corrosion - until he opened the oil drain plug and the oil shot out under high pressure. Something he had never seen before! He then advised spending a couple of thousand more and replacing the whole unit with an SD60 for peace of mind. Whether I actually needed to I don't know, as I never ran the SD50. It all span nicely however. Peace of mind with the new drive, but my original intention was simply a diaphragm / seal change and if necessary, a cone / clutch refurb as you mention. I do have both the SD50 top end and the leg in my shed and will be selling them for parts assuming they're worth something. No idea what the internals are like. Might be useful to someone on the Forum. I am in Portsmouth Harbour and I'm hoping that the SeaJet will hold some of the fouling at bay. I may re-consider Silic 1 next season or maybe in 2027! Edited by MartinR34 - 01 October 2025 at 23:20 |
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Posted: 11 September 2025 at 19:56 |
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Appreciate the comments.
I have decided to keep the SD50 and refurbish the seals etc. and just stay on top of the maintenance. Also thinking I will source a spare lower leg that’s in good condition. Fingers crossed on the Silic One.
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Posted: 14 September 2025 at 06:25 |
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I’m being quoted 32 - 40 labor hours to remove the sail drive and redo the diaphragms and seals @ $154/ hr….
Those hours include temporarily removing the exhaust hose and elbow as well as some of the plumbing associated with the hot water heater. Does that seem reasonable? Hemorrhaging cash ….
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Posted: 14 September 2025 at 08:21 |
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No it doesn’t. Mine was changed a couple of years ago by a two-man team in about one working day, a total of 16-17 hours. Cost was £2000 (~$2800) with the rates in my area not known for being cheap. I’d ask what actual experience they’ve had with such work on similar vessels as that seems to be more of a guesstimate than an estimate.
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Posted: 30 September 2025 at 06:16 |
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So I've pretty much convinced myself to do the SD 50 diaphragm work myself primarily because of the cost of the Silic One. If I knew then what I know now, I would not have used the Silic One. The initial quote was approximately $6900 inclusive of all taxes etc - but qualified that final cost would be based on actual hours and materials used. The argument being that in the long run, I'll save money. And that the quote is probably high. But the final bill was presented at slightly over $11,000 with some comments that extra hull preparation was required.... despite comments from the subcontractor that the hull looked good and would only need minor touchup. After some discussions, the bill was reduced to $8500 and I paid that amount. I could have dug in, and fought the fight, but I just wanted to move on.
On top of that were the yard costs for haul out, pressure washing, and re-blocking of the boat after the Silic One was applied to insure complete coverage of the hull. That came out to another $2700. These costs were higher as the cure times of the Silic One resulted in the boat being on the hard for 13 days @ ~$100/day. So $11,200 for bottom paint... not justifiable in my opinion. Some folks use the acronym BOAT which stands for "break out another thousand". Clearly inflation has hit and it needs to be updated. Maybe "break out ample thousands"! I've only sailed a couple of days with the Silic One but it seems like I've picked up at least a half knot plus while motoring. But I wonder how much it would be with a conventional bottom paint? |
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Posted: 01 October 2025 at 16:27 |
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Martin - could you comment on where and how you split the lower leg of the SD50 to facilitate removal? I’m being told that can’t be done but obviously it can.
Anyone out there that has self performed the sd50 removal in a 430?
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