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    Posted: 29 September 2008 at 14:35

When I got to my boat this past Friday evening, expecting to relax and have a nice diner, I opened the boat and smelled diesel fuel in the main cabin. After pulling up the floor boards, I found the bilge full of fuel. I spent the next 3 hours soaking up 2 gallons of fuel and washing down the bilge. I traced the fuel back to where I believe?? the leak was coming from. There is a filter on the fuel tank that has a peacock value at the bottom. This value had a drop of fuel ready to drop. I turned this value 3 turns counter clockwize until seated. Now the guessing starts. On conversations with my dealer, he indicates this is a water strain valve that should only be open to remove water from the fuel. If so, why has this been open for the last 2 years without a problem? No one has ever had access to this area.  (Can anyone confirm this is the use of this valve?). Is there any reason this value should have been open? Is it possible this is a fuel cutoff valve? The only unusual activity here is this is the first time I have completely filled the boat tank and left it that way for 3 weeks. Maybe the the level forced fuel into the filter until it leveled out??? So, if anyone has any thoughts, thanks for the info.

Also, a maintenance question. My dealer said that he does not believe that filter is available in the US markets. How often should this type of filter be replaced and has anyone tried to get a replacement?

Regards, Mike

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote digme Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 September 2008 at 16:32

I guess the filter in question is the water separator and coarse fuel filter. I don't know what filter Hanse ships with US boats, but I've got a C.A.V 296 separator/filter. (The CAV brand name may have changed to Lucas or Delphi)

A water separator for the fuel system should have some kind of a bottom valve or similar to drain out water.
 
The C.A.V. filter is 8 micron and it may be replaced once a year (and more frequelntly if your boat gets the diesel bug).
 
An alternative to the CAV unit may be a smal Racor separator/filter.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lukemi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 September 2008 at 17:14
Some good information.  It makes sense to have a water seperator and hense the valve should be closed unless extracting the water. My dealer and I just can not explain why the valve was open for 2 years without a problem. The boat had to have been delivered with the valve open but I never noticed any fuel in the bigle (never had to pull up flooring). My dealer did hint that I might have to replace this assembly with a Racor since parts are available in the US. It may be worth checking on all new boats to be sure this valve is closed. This may eliminate a potential overflow of fuel like I had. Thanks for the reply.
 
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What i am wondering about:
 
Did you have any inspection of your motor so far.
When my yanmardealer inspected my motor he checked this valve too. It is part of the regular inspection. Did you not motor 50 hrs so far in  2 years? Because after 50hrs that is the first time to inspect it
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'The only unusual activity here is this is the first time I have completely filled the boat tank and left it that way for 3 weeks.'

Maybe the drain at the bottom of the filter/water separator is not the problem but you may have a poor seal to the top of the tank, either the fuel gauge sender, inspection plate, the filler pipe, air breather pipe, fuel delivery, fuel return or heater fuel pipework.

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Hi Mike,
 
I had some trouble sourcong filters for the Delphi filter that was shipped with Blondie but finally found them at a diesel truck parts place.
 
Last year I changed the whole thing out for a good old RACOR 500FG filter assembly and now I can buy filters at hundreds of marine supply places. I think the RACOR filter is much better quality than the Delphi one and it's easily the standard one used in the industry.
 
It was an easy job and I didn't have to re-bleed my diesel system - just installed it then used the hand priming pump lever on the side of the fuel lift pump on the Yanmar engine to refill the new filter assembly. It has operated without a problem ever since.
 
A highly recommended upgrade!
 
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Three years ago as I want to change the delphi filter for the very first time in my last Hanse 341, I detected that the little faucet at the bottom of the glass was not to open. I checked it a saw that there was some sikaflex between glass and faucet. Possibly it was to avoid exactly was has happened to you lukemi.

On my Hanse 370 I didn't check it yet but next week I have the 50hrs inspection and I will ask the engineer to check it as well.
 
As far as I heard the bad diesel smell is easy to remove from your boat. Distribute some cups with vanilla sugar in the cabin. The should absorb the bad aroma (didn't test it by myself).
 
Thanks for sharing this problem with us - good luck
 
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"Vanilla Sugar", that's an interesting solution for diesel fuel smells. I will have to try this and see if it helps. Luckly all the fuel spill was contained on the fiberglass floor so most of the problem was contained with cleanup of the bilge. An internet search suggested using "Orange Glow" cleaner for this also. Well this coming weekend we are on an extended weekend trip to Baltimore Harbor. It will be a good time to clean all surfaces. Thanks for the suggestions. I think that the RANCOR filter is a near term solution/upgrade for filter availability. Looks like the container is easy to change.
 
Thanks for info. Mike
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stella*Nova Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 14:23

I checked it again - its almost the same, almost. The right powder ist baking soda - not vanilla sugar. I found it in a german forum - its not my experience. Another hint was to put coffee powder in a cup. Sorry for confusion.

BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370
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we have a persistent diesel tank leakage in 47e . Not the fuel filter valve problem described here, thank you though. The fuel is swilling beneath the aft bunk bilges and Most evident after heeling to windward on either tack for several hours. It is not over full as this is avoided when refueling. First thought it was the open/close cock on pipe leading to webasto heater in the aft lazarette. Turned this valve off however diesel is still persistently accumulating underneath the tank in aft cabin. All fittings on the tank are securely sealed. Does anyone have anyone ideas? Thanks. - wifey. 
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