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TonyD 
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Hi all, this is my first post in this forum. I am a proud syndicate owner of Silhouette (470e) based in Pittwater, Sydney, Australia.
Silhouette is currently set up with the standard self tacking arrangement and we are considering adding a 110% jib but realise we ideally need a third winch for the main sheet with the two existing primaries dedicated to the jib sheets. I've had a search on this topic but haven't found anything so felt it appropriate to ask. Can someone who has done this change supply a suggested layout and comment on workability for the extra winch? Thanks in advance. |
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Brad McMaster
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Posted: 05 March 2009 at 02:04 |
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Hi Tony,
We own Ghost, a 470 and have done what you talk about.
First re the headsail, yes do it you won;t regret it! We had a carbon spectra cruise laminate designed by Quantum in the UK and they did a sterling job. The most they could get was 108% as you need to lead the sheets inside of the shrouds. The new sail adds considerable more speed and better angles. If interested talk or email to Ian Brown at Quantum Sail UK based at Hamble point Sure they can forward the design to the Australian office.
  Next on the winches. The secondaries are near useless so far back. Not just cause it is hard for fellow crew to move around the helmsman but you can't get over the winch to use it let alone cracking you knuckles on the push-pit. So we moved ours forward and it was worth every penny. It is not 100% ideal, in the angles the lines are lead through, a raise cheek block would be preferred over the extra pad eye and block that we use but still at least now the winches are useful. makes crew work easier and is not a bad backrest with pillow attached when at anchor.
see the link below
There is loads of stuff discussed about the 470 and 461 on the forum but you might have to click a few pages back to late 2007 early 2008.
Hope this helps
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Ingenii
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Posted: 05 March 2009 at 08:28 |
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Hi
We have just had a new 105 made - in fact it is a 103 as we have found that this fits slightly better. we are hoping for an extra knot of speed. Have not done the extra winches yet as we aim to see how we go with the new sail first.
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TonyD
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Posted: 05 March 2009 at 22:43 |
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Thanks Brad. looks pretty effective. I totally agree about the original positioning of the secondary's - next to useless. I'm surprised to see you using the secondary winches (#46?) for the jib sheets. Do you find these big enough, especially in a stronger breeze? They certainly look very usable in this position.
My thinking has been to add just one 52 winch on the port side in a similar position to where you have moved the 46's or slightly further forward and lead the main sheet onto this new winch thus leaving the original 52's for the jib sheets. The only significant problem I see is it is way out of reach from the helmsman. Out of interest - what do you do with the self tacking sheet when using the twin sheeted jib? Clip it to the base of the mast? |
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TonyD
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Posted: 05 March 2009 at 22:48 |
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Thanks Ingenii. So how are you running your jib sheets? To the rear secondaries?
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TonyD
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Posted: 05 March 2009 at 22:51 |
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Sorry Brad, I didn't mention, but nice looking sail too! What sort of speed & angle are you sailing to windward in smooth water at say 15 kts apparent?
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Brad McMaster
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Posted: 05 March 2009 at 23:39 |
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Yeah you could say they are slightly small but it is consistent with what others are running, even back on the older Hanse 461. I think (I'm no engineer) that the angle that we see the sheets take to the winch reduce some of the snatch loading that the winch experiences, but sometimes i do wish they where slightly larger. But having said this they do the job. After all whether they are front or back they are still 46's.
When we decided to do it we thought we'd move the winches and then see how it goes, if it is good then we could potentially buy larger ones later. So far so good.
One thing that larger winches might do also is raise the sheets approach to the winch, which is only good for the coach roof. We added a couple of pieces of stainless to protect the coach roof as the 46s are slightly too low.
Could do but i must admit that i like the symmetry and it does make life easier for crew. I'd go for two. More over the new position, either two new or secondaries moved fwd make kite work easier too.
If placing further fwd though be ware the necessary extra height in the approach angle that larger winches need to get on the drum and how this impacts where the main sheet exits the combing.
Small point in case Hanse have slightly changed the spec, are your primaries 52s or 54s as we have 54s.
Yep clip the sheet to the base of the mast or tie the self tacking car off to the base of the mast so it can't slide from side to side and add a little tension to the sheet
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Brad McMaster
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hmmm, i must admit we haven't had such ideal conditions!! It's always been lumpy and either no wind or too much!
I would comfortably say an extra 1-1.5 knots and up to 10 degrees improvement on the self tacking head sail.
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SparxSea
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 06:05 |
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Congratulations Tony, good to see some more Aussies on the site. Have sent you a PM with contact details. Best of luck with your sailing.
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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 06:41 |
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Does the 470 have a recessed section that the winch fits into on the cockpit side coaming? I'm just upgrading to 50s on my 400 and have found that i need to elevate the winch sightly (3mm) as the diameter of the recess was too small - just something to look out for. Also, when using my 108%, I use the self tacking jib sheet as the topping lift for the pole in a symmetrical spinnaker setup....
Steve
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