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Posted: 31 May 2011 at 20:10

Hi, I have the original self tacking jib made by East Sails and I think it has come to the end of its useful life. I would be interested in any experiences of replacing the original sail. Any opinions on design and fabric would be gratefully received. Also any recommended sail-makers would be appreciated.

I would like to consider an overlapping genoa but I need to replace it with another self tacker as Mrs Echo would leave me otherwise.

thanks in advance

Steve. Hanse 341 Echo of Wight, . Deep draft and rudder, white hull, Single aft cabin. Raymarine instruments. Raymarine radar. Garmin AIS. Wheel Steering, Portsmouth.

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Posted: 01 June 2011 at 10:23

Had the same issue on my 430 so replaced it with a sail designed by a Canadian who recommended a battened jib. Was a bit dubious but it works really well, without the constant leech flutter previous experienced.

430e Ella Jane - Greece

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Posted: 01 June 2011 at 20:18

Hi

A new jib is on my wish list too (my jib is from North sails, 2006). I am thinking of Elvström Epex with vertical battens or maybe a "Glider" from the Swedish sailmaker Gran Segel.

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Posted: 01 June 2011 at 22:44

Steve, I have been looking this year for a replacement to my self tacking jib for my 301, after discussing my requirements with many sailmakers i have deceided on a material called Hydranet, Dyneema woven as a material. Crusader were ofering the best price, seemilngly the best service, and most of the people I spoke to reccomended either Crusader or North Sails, but Crusader gave a 5 yr guarntee, and they also commented that with the dyneema material it should last in practice about 30,000 miles.

Unfortunatly due to the extra expenditure i have had this year with the Three Peaks Yacht Race, Sue has suggested that I leave this until next year.

Dave

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Posted: 02 June 2011 at 21:34

Just to add, I had sails from crusader several years ago and can thoroughly recommend not only the sails but the service as well
Steve

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Posted: 02 June 2011 at 22:21

Oh yes, Steve, I forgot to mention that the quote from Crusader included vertical battens.

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Posted: 03 June 2011 at 10:23

thanks for the replies, i have a quote from crusader and have used them before and always been pleased. They seemed to fully understand that the requirments of a sail tacking jib are not the same as an overlapping genoa. I have another quote from a compony who have specified a normal sail with no battens and without an adjustable clew block. The adjustable clew block is essential for a self tacker i think.

Any forther comments or thoughts gratefully received

Steve

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Posted: 04 June 2011 at 18:45

Steve,

Have you consider a combined ST/105...108% jib to get some overlap and possibility to reef for st use? I have a friend who has that type of sail on his Hanse 400 and he likes it a lot. Local North has also made those sails. North offers those with vertical batten, luff for reefing and ultraviolet protection for edges. Sounds like good solution if you don't like to switch between genoa and st. I was told that larger you make the sail smaller it gets when set for st use. Anyhow that's propably will be my option for st-jib replacement for the next year.

Markku

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Posted: 05 June 2011 at 16:48

As soon as I purchased my Hanse 315 new I realised that the self tacker was rubbish

I bought one from a local sailmaker ( Lonton & Gray)& when it was fitted I asked why there were no battens in the leech

He replied " I am a sail maker--If you want battens go to a tent maker"

I have to say that it performed pretty well for several years

Evetually I changed for a new Hyde which ,has battens

I then realised that battens are an absolute pain if you are doing sail changes from, say, self tacker to genoa.

You cannot just stuff the sail in a bag & on a rolling foredeck you have to remove the battens first.

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Posted: 05 June 2011 at 17:26

I would be interested to see how a roller reefed 108% performs on a self tacker. My initial thoughts would be that the sail shape would be terrible and that the foot of the sail would be far too high to be of any real use. I agree that the self tacker is terrible and will be going to see North and Hyde at the boat show to get a set of Laminate sails. I watched the video of the code0 on the 320 page and fell for it. I ordered one and should get it for next week, so will post once again once it is in place. My idea is to have both sails rigged for distance racing, both furled. I will then use the appropriate sail for the different conditions and points of sail. Thats the theory anyway.

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echoofwight Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 08 August 2007 Location: Portsmouth UK Status: Offline Points: 270	Post Options Post Reply Quote echoofwight Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: replacing self taking jib Posted: 31 May 2011 at 20:10
	Hi, I have the original self tacking jib made by East Sails and I think it has come to the end of its useful life. I would be interested in any experiences of replacing the original sail. Any opinions on design and fabric would be gratefully received. Also any recommended sail-makers would be appreciated. I would like to consider an overlapping genoa but I need to replace it with another self tacker as Mrs Echo would leave me otherwise. thanks in advance
	Steve. Hanse 341 Echo of Wight, . Deep draft and rudder, white hull, Single aft cabin. Raymarine instruments. Raymarine radar. Garmin AIS. Wheel Steering, Portsmouth.

rtchina Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 07 May 2008 Status: Offline Points: 112	Post Options Post Reply Quote rtchina Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 June 2011 at 10:23
	Had the same issue on my 430 so replaced it with a sail designed by a Canadian who recommended a battened jib. Was a bit dubious but it works really well, without the constant leech flutter previous experienced.
	430e Ella Jane - Greece

kirkelund Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vice Admiral Joined: 29 June 2009 Status: Offline Points: 949	Post Options Post Reply Quote kirkelund Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 June 2011 at 20:18
	Hi A new jib is on my wish list too (my jib is from North sails, 2006). I am thinking of Elvström Epex with vertical battens or maybe a "Glider" from the Swedish sailmaker Gran Segel. Ole Kirkelund "Amani" Ishøj, Denmark

holby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 18 February 2006 Location: Isle of Man Status: Offline Points: 2287	Post Options Post Reply Quote holby Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 June 2011 at 22:44
	Steve, I have been looking this year for a replacement to my self tacking jib for my 301, after discussing my requirements with many sailmakers i have deceided on a material called Hydranet, Dyneema woven as a material. Crusader were ofering the best price, seemilngly the best service, and most of the people I spoke to reccomended either Crusader or North Sails, but Crusader gave a 5 yr guarntee, and they also commented that with the dyneema material it should last in practice about 30,000 miles. Unfortunatly due to the extra expenditure i have had this year with the Three Peaks Yacht Race, Sue has suggested that I leave this until next year. Dave
	Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)

BlueNote2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 17 December 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44	Post Options Post Reply Quote BlueNote2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 June 2011 at 21:34
	Just to add, I had sails from crusader several years ago and can thoroughly recommend not only the sails but the service as well Steve
	http://www.whyboats.com/brokerage-boats/boat-details.php?BoatID=4269677

holby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 18 February 2006 Location: Isle of Man Status: Offline Points: 2287	Post Options Post Reply Quote holby Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 June 2011 at 22:21
	Oh yes, Steve, I forgot to mention that the quote from Crusader included vertical battens. Dave
	Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)

echoofwight Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 08 August 2007 Location: Portsmouth UK Status: Offline Points: 270	Post Options Post Reply Quote echoofwight Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 June 2011 at 10:23
	thanks for the replies, i have a quote from crusader and have used them before and always been pleased. They seemed to fully understand that the requirments of a sail tacking jib are not the same as an overlapping genoa. I have another quote from a compony who have specified a normal sail with no battens and without an adjustable clew block. The adjustable clew block is essential for a self tacker i think. Any forther comments or thoughts gratefully received Steve
	Steve. Hanse 341 Echo of Wight, . Deep draft and rudder, white hull, Single aft cabin. Raymarine instruments. Raymarine radar. Garmin AIS. Wheel Steering, Portsmouth.

Markku Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 28 November 2009 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 110	Post Options Post Reply Quote Markku Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 June 2011 at 18:45
	Steve, Have you consider a combined ST/105...108% jib to get some overlap and possibility to reef for st use? I have a friend who has that type of sail on his Hanse 400 and he likes it a lot. Local North has also made those sails. North offers those with vertical batten, luff for reefing and ultraviolet protection for edges. Sounds like good solution if you don't like to switch between genoa and st. I was told that larger you make the sail smaller it gets when set for st use. Anyhow that's propably will be my option for st-jib replacement for the next year. Markku
	S/Y Flow Hanse 371

samuel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 26 December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2770	Post Options Post Reply Quote samuel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 June 2011 at 16:48
	As soon as I purchased my Hanse 315 new I realised that the self tacker was rubbish I bought one from a local sailmaker ( Lonton & Gray)& when it was fitted I asked why there were no battens in the leech He replied " I am a sail maker--If you want battens go to a tent maker" I have to say that it performed pretty well for several years Evetually I changed for a new Hyde which ,has battens I then realised that battens are an absolute pain if you are doing sail changes from, say, self tacker to genoa. You cannot just stuff the sail in a bag & on a rolling foredeck you have to remove the battens first. Daydream Believer
	Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex

nickfabbri Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 21 April 2008 Status: Offline Points: 249	Post Options Post Reply Quote nickfabbri Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 June 2011 at 17:26
	I would be interested to see how a roller reefed 108% performs on a self tacker. My initial thoughts would be that the sail shape would be terrible and that the foot of the sail would be far too high to be of any real use. I agree that the self tacker is terrible and will be going to see North and Hyde at the boat show to get a set of Laminate sails. I watched the video of the code0 on the 320 page and fell for it. I ordered one and should get it for next week, so will post once again once it is in place. My idea is to have both sails rigged for distance racing, both furled. I will then use the appropriate sail for the different conditions and points of sail. Thats the theory anyway.
	Nick71 Hanse 320