Hanse vs french sailboats

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   hi,
I want to buy my first sailboat and I came to the conclusion that Hanse sailboats are really good ships.
Hanse 312, Beneteau Océanis 323, Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 32 have similar prices.
Hanse vs french sailboats what's you feeling please?
thanks for your help.
ar.

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alain5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 21 June 2004 Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote alain5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Hanse vs french sailboats Posted: 29 June 2004 at 09:23
	hi, I want to buy my first sailboat and I came to the conclusion that Hanse sailboats are really good ships. Hanse 312, Beneteau Océanis 323, Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 32 have similar prices. Hanse vs french sailboats what's you feeling please? thanks for your help. ar. Edited by alain5

franko Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 24 June 2004 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 597	Post Options Post Reply Quote franko Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 June 2004 at 14:55
	alain5, This is the wrong place to ask such a question. All on here are Hanse devotees. I went arouond a 312 at last years Hamburg Boat Show and thought it a very nice boat for its size. Well priced too. However, a new 32' Sun Odyssey has just moved onto our pontoon at my local marina and I am very impressed by the finish. Very nice looking boat. I emphasize that I have not sailed her or asked the owner how much she was (she has a lot of 'extras') but I will first time we have a whisky or two together. Go to the shows and make your choice based on your needs. Believe it or not, a big factor in my choosing a Hanse 341 was because of the standing height throughout the boat. Whatever you choose - enjoy.

alain5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 21 June 2004 Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote alain5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 June 2004 at 15:06
	hi, no reply. :-( . Never mind, this my humble contribution.Let's compare Hanse 312 to Bénéteau Océanis 323. quality of design Vrolijk or finot? well it's seems that vrolijk is the guy to follow since the america cup. Najad, Cantiere del Pardo, Dehler have switch to Vrolijk's plan. Does it mean that a H312 moves quickier than an O323? I don't know. The quality of stock sails is very important. beauty of design that's a matter of taste. the 2 plans are nice for me. ease to handle It's much easier to have the main sail surface on the boom. The self tacking jib seems a good thing for me. Perhaps it's just nostalgia of my 420 dinghy but I always thought that big genoa are of dubious interest. beauty of interior dark mohagany in O323 or glossy mohagany in H312. that's a matter of taste. quality of interior don't know. size of cockpit acces to sea is smarter on O323. quality of hull building 12 mm of for Océanis. 30 mm for Hanse. Is it really true? Not sure because the displacement are similar. price and resell value don't know. H312 is sold without hot water and without fridge. H312 ---- standart: 71900.00 fridge: ; 1195.00 hot water: 1355.00 by road: 5350.00 misc: & nbsp; 1500.00 O323 ---- standart: 76436.00 by road: 1800.00 misc: 1500.00 ar. Edited by alain5

alain5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 21 June 2004 Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote alain5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 June 2004 at 15:14
	franko, thanks for your reply. really. I know my post is a bit off topic but it's important for me to read miscellanous feelings. There's no such a cool forum for beneteau or jeanneau owners. that's a shame c'est la vie. another good reason to buy an hanse. And I want to understand WHY your are hanse devotees. hey you're right, wisky is good for sailors. ar. Edited by alain5

franko Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 24 June 2004 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 597	Post Options Post Reply Quote franko Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 June 2004 at 18:37
	Alain, There is also a brand new Bavaria 32 in my marina. Also looks very nice on the outside (I haven't been below decks). Seldén In Mast reefing main. Many people are critical of the Bavaria build quality, but I have crossed the North Sea twice in a Bavaria (40) without being in fear for my life. If I was after performance I would look seriously at the new Bavaria 'Match' series. I know a very serious sailor who lives near me who has bought one this year (35 foot) He is very happy. Races it regularly. It was also, as most things in life, a compromise. He had a wife & two kids to please also. You say quality of the 'stock' sails are important. I can only say that mine (Doyle) are rubbish. Others on MyHanse also have commented on the sails. North I think. Guess you don't have to take the stock sails - order something better. Enjoy Slainthè / Santé

iemand Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 13 February 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1099	Post Options Post Reply Quote iemand Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 June 2004 at 18:47
	On yacht.de there is also a forum. Maybe you should search for Bavaria 32 or just ask RalfT about his experiance about a new Bavaria 32. He is now a happy owner of a 341 !!!! Beside all the emotional arguments for Hanse there was also the second hand market for Hanse which was also an important point. If you look at Bav or Beneteau or Jeanneau there are a lot of boats from Charter Companies for sale which makes it more difficult to get a good price. About the sails: The North-Sails from Hanse are not so bad. If you don't want to use them, you get hardly any money back from them. Different sails are nearly 100% extra costs. That's why I took my self tacking jib from Hanse and although I don't want to use it. Now I'm going to sell it. Regards Thomas.

Stella*Nova Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vice Admiral Joined: 25 January 2004 Location: Lelystad / NL Status: Offline Points: 776	Post Options Post Reply Quote Stella*Nova Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2004 at 09:37
	Ralf-T, thats me. Yes I had some experiences with Bavaria but I signed a contract in which I promised to keep in silence in the public. But in private chats its no problem to inform. So, if anyone needs information... Last summer I also looked to some french ships like the new Beneteau Oceanis 323. Nice ship but with length of 1,90m I had problems. And there were some things on deck I didn't like. As I saw the Hanse 341 first time I knew that I found my ship. I think a lot of this decision should ruled by the heart without forgetting the head.

Stella*Nova Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vice Admiral Joined: 25 January 2004 Location: Lelystad / NL Status: Offline Points: 776	Post Options Post Reply Quote Stella*Nova Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2004 at 15:12
	Alain, its not possible to see in which country you are located. But in the newest German Sailing Magazine, the YACHT there is a competetive test between Hanse 341, Bavaria 32, Catalina 320, Beneteau 323. The Hanse the best in a lot of categories, she not free of faults but in generally its a fine boat to a fair price. First information find here: http://www.yacht.de/yo/yo_news/powerslave,id,3086,nodeid,50. html Regards Ralf

mqh7 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Commander Joined: 23 December 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 61	Post Options Post Reply Quote mqh7 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2004 at 16:31
	When I was looking at boats I also looked at the following: Catalina 310, 320 / Beneteau 311, 321 / Jeanneau 32 / Bavaria 32 I did not waste my time with Hunter since they are true garbage. The Catalina's are ok but not that well made. The Bavaria was pretty nice but cost more than the Hanse 311. The Beneteau's are not well shrouded and are not much better than Catalina. In fact I have had many top sailors say the same thing. The Jeanneau looked really nice and I wanted to buy it. But......there is only 1 wench on the house and there are no locations to put more wenches in the cockpit for your spinnaker. Also, the keel seemed a bit light. And it cost about $15,000 more than the Hanse 311. So I picked the Hanse 311. I liked the self tacking jib and it is very well made. Minus a few headaches I have been happy with it. I took it out a few days ago in 20-30 knot winds and 4-8 foot seas and it performed well. With a double reef in the main and only 75% of my jib unfurled I hit 7.5 knots on a beam reach. My new sails will show up in a few weeks and I will have a folding prop put on. This will give me a bit more speed. I had it rated and my PHRF rating is 156. Bottom line.............I would buy the Hanse or if not then the Bavaria.

alain5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 21 June 2004 Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote alain5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2004 at 16:35
	hi, Thanks for all those contributions. I'm located in the south of France in TOULOUSE. For Océanis the displacements are very close to the equivalent sized Hanse and the sails are bigger. Océanis 373: 6600 kgs / 35.8 m2+ 31.2m2 Hanse 371: 5950kgs / 28.5m2 + 38m2 Océanis 343: / 00.00 m2+ 00.00 m2 Hanse 341: 5390kgs / 21m2 + 33.5m2 Océanis 323: 3837 kgs / 22.4 m2+ 28.3m2 Hanse 312: 4090 kgs / 16m2 + 27m2 Hanse 300: 3250kgs / 13m2 + 26 m2 sail surface for standart sailboat -----> Océanis: genoa / main sail and Hanse: jib / main sail. Alain.



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