Winter cover

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   Well, a bit off season but i try to plan ahead.
I have lifted my boat out of the water every season, dismounting mast, putting on cover etc.

It's quite a lot of work every year and you still have to visit the boat everytime there is a storm. 
So this spring after launching with new antifouling etc. I have decided to leave the boat in the sea next winter.

I know that Norwegians and people in the Meds often leave the boat in the water.

Does anyone have experience with a winter cover for the boat. I have seen solutions with PVC and Fiber tex but not really sure witch way to go.
Advantage Fibertex - lighter and easy to handle. Advantage PVC - handles vertical vaterpressure better.

Pictures would be great.

Thanks in advance.

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superliga Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 25 April 2008 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 590	Post Options Post Reply Quote superliga Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Winter cover Posted: 14 May 2012 at 21:39
	Well, a bit off season but i try to plan ahead. I have lifted my boat out of the water every season, dismounting mast, putting on cover etc. It's quite a lot of work every year and you still have to visit the boat everytime there is a storm. So this spring after launching with new antifouling etc. I have decided to leave the boat in the sea next winter. I know that Norwegians and people in the Meds often leave the boat in the water. Does anyone have experience with a winter cover for the boat. I have seen solutions with PVC and Fiber tex but not really sure witch way to go. Advantage Fibertex - lighter and easy to handle. Advantage PVC - handles vertical vaterpressure better. Pictures would be great. Thanks in advance.
	PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com

Theo Hin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 07 February 2011 Location: netherlands Status: Offline Points: 48	Post Options Post Reply Quote Theo Hin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2012 at 16:53
	I did took my boat out of the water last year, indeed a lot of work. In the marina were my boat is, in Holland, most people leave their boat in the water. A small cover over your sprayhood is good for protection. A full cover is good but then it will be humit under the cover. I would prever a small cover. brgds Theo
	S/Y Geisha

superliga Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 25 April 2008 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 590	Post Options Post Reply Quote superliga Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2012 at 18:22
	Theo, i know what you mean, but if you go with the fibertex there is enough ventilation trough the fabric. Also, my plan is to put it over the main boom and from the mast and forward over a spinnaker boom or similar. This way the cover will be lifted from the deck and allow ventilation. I thought about a solution where the cover hangs from under the main boom. This would even allow the cover on without removing the main. Nice for shorter intervals if the boat is not used. I have bee quoted apr. 2200€ for the fibertex solution, but the supplier has not done any "inwater covers" witch is why i am looking for input and idears.
	PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com

Niels Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 04 January 2011 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 91	Post Options Post Reply Quote Niels Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2012 at 11:07
	Pearl I have had my 470 in the water 2 seasons now one in Scotland and one in Denmark, I have a full cover over all the wood and substitute the sprayhood with the cover the material is the same as the sprayhood, the cover lay flat on the deck forward of the sprayhood, sofar no problems with damp or stagnant water as the air still get under the cover and dry out th wood in the wind, I was conserned as well with the cover flat on the wood but not anymore. Atvantages: Still live on the boat over winter. Keep the boat frost free with minimall heating as the water on the hul "warm" the boat through the hull, I use the manual bilge pump vacuume to empty the pipe work when leaving, it seems ok and easy. No need of removing the mast, GREAT The price was £2,600 Less cleanig of the wood in spring Niels
	Niels

holby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 18 February 2006 Location: Isle of Man Status: Offline Points: 2287	Post Options Post Reply Quote holby Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2012 at 11:32
	Pearl, For my view you have as you say two options but to choice which one depends wether you have electricty on your pontoon. I leave my boat in Pwllheli Marina during the winter and use it still for sailing so the mast stays up with no cover. I have included in my marina fees, electricty so for me if i had the choice between the two materials i would choose the PVC option, and i would run on a timer in my saloon a dehumidifier combined with heater, this allows me the luxory of not having to winterise my boat and when i get there on a Friday for a long weekend the boat is warm. If you do not have the facility of electricty I would choose the breathable cover as this then allows for evaporation by the wind, and so would lead to a dry boat and would as Niels say protect the wood and decks. Dave
	Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)

PRCH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 28 May 2011 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 235	Post Options Post Reply Quote PRCH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2012 at 13:24
	Hi I am using a Fibertex solution myselves and are very satisfied. I must however admit that it is a solution for use when the boat is stores on land. Fibertex lets the boat "breathe", is very light weight, i.e. easy to handle, and lets some light shine through, i.e. you can see what you are doing during daylight. My solution is delivered by the company http://www.gpcovers.dk and I am quite sure that on their old homepage I have seen a solution for boats in water. Please look at the home page and see the advantages of Fibertex and maybe contact them in order to know if a solution for your boat can be supplied.
	Regards Peter ————————————————— S/Y Schisslaweng, Hanse 312, #212

sophie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 19 November 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote sophie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2012 at 13:56
	Dear Pearl, I leave my boat in the water all the year execpt for maintance in spring. I ve used a cover as you can see on the picture for the last 6 seasons. I can tell you that hts cover gives perfect protection not only in winter but as well in summer against the UV radiation. So far I had no difficulies with humidity. It takes me aproximatly 1 hour to put the cover on the boat. For sure it is only a 370e so for your boat it will take a few minutes more. The cover is made out of 3 pieces from bow to mast; mast to boomend; boomend to stern. Easy to handel for one person. Manufacturer is company wendling. See their internetpages (only in German): http://www.bootssattlerei-wendling.de/segelboot/persenning/index.php They have done the cover for my boat a bimini and Sprayhood in a perfect quality. Best regards HP Sorry for the bad quality of the pic!

superliga Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 25 April 2008 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 590	Post Options Post Reply Quote superliga Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2012 at 15:53
	PRCG - For storage on land I have used apr. the same solution with a "NOA" structure under some 800 Gram PVC covers. The problem is when it's windy - it really put a big load on the boat. My boat turned 30 cm on the cradle this winter in a storm - after that i skipped the PVC covers. I expect Fibertex will ease the windpressure / let more through. Do you have experience in that?
	PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com

superliga Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 25 April 2008 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 590	Post Options Post Reply Quote superliga Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2012 at 15:57
	Sophie - that looks exactly as i expected. Are you using the cover with or without the main sail on the boom? How do you hold the cover down along the hull? I was thinking a bucket in the water? weighs nothing, but will pull with its capacity when the wind lift the cover. Niels - any chance of a picture?
	PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com

Niels Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 04 January 2011 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 91	Post Options Post Reply Quote Niels Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2012 at 08:58
	Pearl I am trying to post a picture, however I think I have a problem with my access or protocol, as I can't send e-mail at the moment i'm on the boat. But as soon I have resolved the issue I will come back. Niels
	Niels



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