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    Posted: 02 December 2015 at 19:01
I am a new owner of 301. Standard Main and single line reefing [I think?]
The yacht was stripped for transport by a yard. And itsa big bag of rope and some blocks?
I am struggling to rig the main and its reefing lines.
Anybody help with a sketch of how to run lines.
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I can't help you but maybe forum member YEOMAN can. He is Hanse Agent, Inspiration Marine on the Hamble I think. I asked them a question about bowsprit on older 400s & they came back with a very full answer. I'm sure he could help you. Hope this helps.
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Perry

I cant help with sketch but here goes with a description of our set up

I hope you still have the reefing lines in the boom?

If not it it makes life a bit more difficult!.

Basically you have a continuous line that runs from the clutch on the cabin top forward through the deck organiser to a pulley at the mast foot. It then is threaded through a stainless loop on the port side of the mast and runs up to a pulley on the luff reefing point on the sail. This line then comes back down to the fixed pulley on the inner end of the boom at the gooseneck and is then threaded through the boom  to the matching fixed pulley at the back end of the boom . This is then taken up to the appropriate reefing cringle through and down to the matching fastening eye on the underside of the boom. Fix with a simple bowline.

My boat is stripped down and I dont think I have any pictures but I hope this narrative is enough to get you started!

What should happen is as you release the haliard and wind on the single line it pulls the sail mounted pulley down to between the mast and the inner end of the boom and then the leech cringle pulls the aft part of the sail down and foot tension is adjusted by winding it on hard whilst the kicker is released and the topping lift or gas strut supports the boom.

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Thanks very much for that Steve. If its not too windy on the mooring I'll sort that tomorrow.
I did managed to jury two reef lines to get my new boat back from Gosport last Friday afternoon. I was rushing to get back to Cowes before the real gales started. And I see what your saying.
One more bit of help please. Is  the clew outhaul also rigged inside Boom?
And further, in my pile of bits,  threaded on one reefing line is a double block? Where/how might this fit into the reefing system?
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Originally posted by perry perry wrote:

Thanks very much for that Steve. If its not too windy on the mooring I'll sort that tomorrow.
I did managed to jury two reef lines to get my new boat back from Gosport last Friday afternoon. I was rushing to get back to Cowes before the real gales started. And I see what your saying.
One more bit of help please. Is  the clew outhaul also rigged inside Boom?  YES ours is a direct line from the clew via single pulleys to the deck clutch.
And further, in my pile of bits,  threaded on one reefing line is a double block? Where/how might this fit into the reefing system? 

I can't think where this might be used other than possibly at the mast foot to gather both reefing lines together before routing through the deck organisers. 

The only other possible application might be if you dont have the two stainless hoops on the side of the mast. In which case the double block might have been mounted off the gooseneck hinge point at the back of the mast and above the boom to allow the line to be pulled to the boom and prevent the luff being pulled away from the rear of the mast.

If you read the reviews of a new 301 they report lots of friction in the system. This is caused by the curvature of the cabin top and the lines rubbing on it under tension. On our boat the deck organisers and clutches have been padded to ensure the lines are free to run clear of the deck.

I can easily reef single handed and it is made a lot easier by marking the main haliard for each reef position once set up correctly.

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Yes I can see there may be lots of friction in the lines. Today I have stripped off the single speed Haliard winches Number 8's,  and am replacing  with a couple of used two speed number 16's I had in my spare box. The oridinals were basic with plain bearings [lots friction] the two speed winches have double needle roller bearings. I dont normally dive in before actually sailing the boat but this seemed a logical good change. Unfortunately the two speed units have different hole patterns [due to the gear on thebottom plate, and I need to tap new threads. I attempted to remove the head lining under the winches, the stbd side OK, but on the port side in the toilet, it defeated me. I got all the screws out, cut the sealer used to pretty up the joint line. But the complex shape wouldnt move far enough to access. Tomorrow equiped with a jig saw I will cut it into two parts. It should be a simple job to tap new holes in the Aluminium sheet bonded into the coach roof moulding. Thanks again for your help, Hope you are enjoying my saga, I cant wait to get reefing right, then I only have the bag full of lazy jack and stack pack bits to sort?   Then I go sailing!
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Thanks Taylor,
I found it easy to tap M8 threads into the aluminium pads in the coach roof, maybe I didnt need to have cut the toilet headliner, but I needed to see that no damage occured when my drills and tap went through. I have rigged 1st and second reefing lines and tested on mooring. The third reef was more problematical, but have manage a setup that should? work, but for last days the wind has been two high to test on mooring.
I have fitted a forth line in the boom for main sail  foot outhaul, using the jamber in the goose neck end of boom.
Right;  now I need to fit my best  ebay prize of two lewmar 30's for genoa winching, to double on spinnaker sheet guy duty.
Having learn the lesson [dont cut up the headlining if you donthave to?] Can anyone tell me where I might find glassed in pads to screw primary winches down???
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if you put "3rd reefing line" into the advanced searches and make sure you look at all dates, you will find some other discussions.  

I could not find the idea that that I copied.  On my boom, I have 4 pulleys inthe boom and at the front there are 2 going up and 2 going down.  The third reef leech line is rigged as normal going into the boom at the back and it comes out through the spare down pulley at the front of the boom.  I then have a single pulley with becket which is fastened with rope to kicker mast fitting and held up to the goose-neck with shockcord.  The reefing line then then goes around through this and back up to the 3rd reef luff cringle  It then goes back to pulleys at the bottom of the mast and I added an extra organiser and clutch on the cabin roof.  

Lots of rope and friction, but it does reduce the amount of work at the mast, just at a time when it is rough.  
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Perry,
I will soon be in a marina in the Cardif barrage in about a week or so time , if you can travel, you pop up and I will show you around or if you cannot then I could take some photos and try a sketch but sketching is not my bag.
Pm me if I can help in any way...
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I'd just like to add my thoughts. Originally Dragonfly had the single line reefing setup, but to be honest I thought this was just not efficient,  safe, or allowed a good shape to the sail be be achieved, and ended up requiring a lot of winching to put a reef in.

I have converted mine to use two reefing horns at the mast end of the boom to clip the reef points to and kept the reefing lines to pull then clew down afterwards. Even single handed this works well and means I can keep the tension on the luff using the halyard. slightly more work and yes you do have to go on deck, but much less friction and less string in the cockpit after a reed makes this a worthwhile option.

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