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    Posted: 26 July 2009 at 15:52
Today we broke  the lower fixation/bearing of the rudder stock on a 470. This bearing looks quite small to me. (s. pic from above) Any experiences on that? We are stuck in a marina and the mecanics will check tomorrow. How long can you go on like that? The shaft moves about 1cm sideways. Steering is ok but what happens to the upper bearing if you have to sail home for another 100sm?
Appendix: I just talked to a 540 Pro-Skipper mooring next to us and he said that the whole bearing must have gone in a long process of splitting and of being tored out. What we can see now is just rest of the seal lip ring of 4-5mm for the outside. Amazing and shocking how this can happen on 2 years old boat which never hit anything nor was aground! Sailing around like this is potentially dangerous as when it tores out the body and producing a hole on the tube it can sink the boat.



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Where did you take this picture from? Could you post a second one as an overview and/or describe how to access the potentially defective part? It would be interesting to check on our boats whether this is an issue.
Many thanks in advance!
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PS  And how did you solve (are you solving) the problem?
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This picture is taken inside the lazarette looking down the rudder stock when you unscrew the cloth cover between stock and body tube. The whole bearing is completely gone (!) which means it must have been a long lasting process. Solution is simple: motor home easily, lift her out of the water and a new bearing will be mounted and paid on warranty without hesitation. Except of course if you haven't run your boat somewhere aground! Because you don't feel it on the wheel wether your lower bearing is still ok or broken (or already gone)  I advise everybody to check: shuddle your rudder blade for unusual play and have a look like on the pic from the inside!

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About 2 weeks ago, the stering started to be harder and noise coming from the lazarette. First I checked the wires but then I noticed the noise is coming from the rudder stock. Hanse controlled the rudder bearings and had to admit that the lower bearing are defect. With som oil the noise disappeared and the steering is as usual again. Hanse said it will take until the end of august to get new bearings.
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How old are your boats and how many NM did they cover?
PEARL - S/Y SUPERLIGA - HANSE 470 e - Hull #168 - hanse470.com
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Hi
June 2008, nm i don't recall but not too many
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Our boat (H470-#120) is from April 2007 and has sailed 5000nm 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CARAMEL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2009 at 09:52
My H470#087 delivered june 2007 was out the water for the first time and I too noticed a broken lower rudder bearing.
JEFA admitted that the size of the original bearing was too small.....
The bearing has been changed and now the steering is much better. I did pay the cost myself (250 €)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tobo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2009 at 12:00
Could you please quote me Jefa's statement und the type of the new bearing. Hanse has sent me a new bearing and I want to know wether it really is the better one and not an "old" one.
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tobo,

do you get the bearing straight from hanse or a dealer?


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