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    Posted: 22 November 2025 at 22:09

I recently noticed that the top of the rudder is rubbing the hull when turning all the way to port, but not when turning to starboard.  Centered clearance is small (about 1–2 mm), and when turning all the way to starboard the gap still looks around 1–2 mm.
However, when turning to port the clearance gradually decreases and the rudder just begins to rub at full lock. Steering feels completely normal, and I don’t recall any impact, although there is some antifouling rubbed off on the upper port side of the rudder.

Before dropping the rudder, I’m trying to understand whether this is a bear bearing alignment / seating issue , thrust washer compression/settling issue, or something else 

Anyone seen this before? Any advice on likely causes or fixes?

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I would contact Jefa. They are usually very responsive.
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Your 415 has pretty much same system as our 445.

There is no alignment adjustment on our boat ... just relies on Hanse building the boat right. There are two PTFE spacers of ~10mm thickness on the stock between blade and hull to keep keel low enough to avoid blade/hull contact. There is also an end-stop mechanism on the quadrant to prevent the rudder pivoting too far, be worth checking this is working properly.

If these look okay, maybe worth looking to see if there is another 415 on the hard you can look at. At most serious end of the scale, you may be looking at something like a bent stock. Is it possible the rudder could have impacted or snagged something? 



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Contacted Jefa as well to indeed ask them for advice.  Have not heard back from them yet.
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I don’t recall any impact, but there is some antifouling rubbed off on the lower part of the rudder (see picture). It doesn’t look severe enough for the kind of force I’d expect would be needed to bend the stock. It’s also on the port side, which seems inconsistent with the type of deformation that would cause rubbing on that same side. I would have expected an impact on the starboard side to result in rubbing on the port side. I’ll check it with a laser level to see if there is any indication of bending.

Your point about the stops is interesting—I actually didn’t check whether they are symmetric. It’s possible I simply have more travel to one side. I’ll verify that as well.

I was also wondering about the PTFE spacers. The clearance between my rudder and the hull seems very small even when centered. I’d be interested to know what the typical clearance is on other Hanses. As you noted, they all have very similar setups. If anyone knows the top-of-rudder–to–hull clearance on their boat, I would appreciate hearing it.



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I think that clearance is about finger thick on my 458, definitely not 1-2mm



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Interesting.

Suggest if you conclude impact may have caused some damage, involving your insurance company at earliest opportunity. They will appoint a surveyor and take it from there. I read in an Orca forum somewhere that new Jefa rudders are made to order and on very long lead-times. I hope your problem is something a lot easier to deal with this.

Talking to my wife here about clearance, recalling how easy (difficult) it is to get a scrapper in to remove growth etc during haulout, we are guessing there is something like 40-60mm of gap at the aft end, rudder centred. This is for a Hanse 445. We've looked through our extensive archive of photographs but none show this very well.

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Very helpful.  Thanks for sharing
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40-60mm is a lot more than I have even when centered.   Thank you for looking for pictures.  Very much appreciated.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote High Time Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2025 at 15:38
Looking at a photo of my 2012 415 rudder I estimate the clearance at the rudder shaft to be approx. 20mm. My rudder does not touch the hull on full lock either way although it does get close. My autopilot control indicates that it's full lock either way is 33 degrees and this is a few degrees short of the stops.
I can't easily post the picture as it's 3MB and I don't have any suitable editing software to reduce the size to <500KB. Unhappy
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