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    Posted: 02 October 2023 at 15:13
Can anyone tell me please the dimension of the Genoa Tracks and where to buy
The wagons/ maker etc - what is the ideal size of a Genoa to your opinion?

Anybody happen to have a spare old one not in use in a Europe 
for me to purchase and try it out…

Hints more than welcome
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There are already genoa tracks installed on your H400?
I have a 140% North Sails, some 52 sq.meters. Works okay for me.
Try the Search->advanced search->any date->all forums->Genoa tracks..............

For inspiration read:
https://nshof.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/1-How-Sails-Really-Work.pdf

(Overlapping jib effect on mainsail and vice versa)


Edited by Captain Cook - 05 October 2023 at 14:51
Freya H400 #27 (2006),2-cabin, 40HP 3JH4E, 3-blade Flexofold, Aries LiftUp Windvane, Exturn 300, Jefa DD1,Simrad NX40,Icom M603(VHF)+M802(SSB)
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Thanks vm.  140 pct sounds good. 
Whereabout are your cars placed in medium wind force say 5/6 meek.

Genoa Tracks factory mounted but no cars, do you know dimensions , maker
And dealer In Europe.
Thanks  for yr time
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Hi Peter:   My 2006 hanse400 came with Harken 27mm tracks.   It came with pin-stop cars but I have replaced them with adjustable 3:1 ball-bearing cars (Harken 273B) and I replaced the forward end-stop with a 3:1 end-control (Harken E2750).  I also installed turning blocks and cam cleats for the control lines.   The alternative is to just use pin-stop cars (assuming your track has pin-stop holes), but it’s hard to adjust the leeward car while sailing with these cars.
As for the sail, I have a 140% Dacron Genoa that is fairly new (3 seasons, lightly used) and am likely going to replace it with a laminate sail this winter, but it’s in Canada (and the wrong end of Canada) so it might be too expensive to ship your way.

Owen.
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Many thanks. Just the info i hoped  to obtain and yes you are probably right 
No point to send a Dacron sail half way around the globe.
Thanks again
Peter
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Originally posted by landlocked landlocked wrote:

Hi Peter:   My 2006 hanse400 came with Harken 27mm tracks.   It came with pin-stop cars but I have replaced them with adjustable 3:1 ball-bearing cars (Harken 273B) and I replaced the forward end-stop with a 3:1 end-control (Harken E2750).  I also installed turning blocks and cam cleats for the control lines.   The alternative is to just use pin-stop cars (assuming your track has pin-stop holes), but it’s hard to adjust the leeward car while sailing with these cars.
As for the sail, I have a 140% Dacron Genoa that is fairly new (3 seasons, lightly used) and am likely going to replace it with a laminate sail this winter, but it’s in Canada (and the wrong end of Canada) so it might be too expensive to ship your way.

Owen.

Once again there are changes from year to year.
My 2007 build 400e came with Lewmar Size 1 genoa track and car, not  Harken like your 2006 build. The Lewmar Size 1 track is only 23 or 24mm wide, and marginal for rating IMHO.  I would use 30mm track minimum if doing the selection......BUT, the price for 30mm is much higher, so I understand why Hanse chooses marginal sizes...so people buy the boat. To be fair, the Lewmar track is still functional after 15 years of which 10+ years was operating 7 days a week.
DJ.....Sailor Ordinaire
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Many thanks. 7 days a week for over a decade. Impressive. Mine will then last  for the next 100 years 😊💪  
Happy sailing
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