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Hi, we do and did many races on HanaFe already. We always do very good through the water, but they gave us a very bad local handicap. We have to give time to almost everybody in the fleet, including longer boats, flying symetrical spinakers. That is bit frustrating. However, we still managed to win two races.
Most of the time we also have much too competitive boats in the fleet, like TP 52 and Sydney Gtx 43. Of course we only see the stern of these boats.

The reason I comment on this thread is another one. I see on your pictures that you guys do not remove the anchors from your bow. This is against the ISAF sailing regulations according to my knowledge and leads to disqualification in our hemisphere.
It is a big burden for us to remove the anchor all the time, as we we have to unchain it, and put it in the sail locker.
Why do they allow to keep the anchor?
I am looking for good arguments, because mine that the others have long bow sprits was declined, as the flukes of the anchor could get hooked into each other but the bow sprits will not.

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I am passing the question about the anchor to the next person. I am not really a racer so I am not aware of all the rules. I however know that you don't fly your nationality flat when racing but that is a rule I broke this time as well. I thought it was kind of me to show the Norwegians that they got Swedish competition.

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Hi Johan

Well done! Chapeau! Andall!

Interesting that the Dufour 34e was the boat that beat you. I know this may be difficult to answer but would you say that they beat you due to the way the boat was set up in terms of sails, weight or did he luck out on wind shifts or perhaps it was tactics?

Is the Dufour 34e faster than the Hanse 342? I would think that the hull speeds are similar.

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The boat in question is not a 34e, just a 34 (I don't know if this make any difference but I thought I should mention it). I think there was a performance option with a higher mast when my friend bought his boat. Somehow Dufour managed to send him the short mast but the tall main so he had to reef the main to make it fit. The sail is now cut to fit.

The Dufour 34 is definitely a faster boat than the Hanse 342 and this is reflected in the handicap. My LYS is 1.20 and his is 1.22. The boat itself I think is 1000 kg lighter.

The race area, the harbour in Egersund, is surrounded by mountains which makes sailing very tricky, especially in strong winds. I am not saying I am not used to it as sailing in the area of Stockholm is similar, but Norway is worse. It makes for gusty winds coming from all directions, even from above. So yes, you need to find the exact right spots to find the wind you want. Otherwise you stand still while a boat ten metres away are passing you at seven knots.

When it comes to sailing skills I just try to sail my boat the way I usually sail her. On the Dufour there was a crew of four and they were running around on the deck while I was trimming my sails from where I was sitting helming. I don't know if this made any difference in terms of the results.

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Hi Johan


I don't think the specifications of the Dufour 34 (Performance) and the Hanse 342 are so different. The displacement of the two boats is quite similar (1000 kg lighter is as light as a Finn Flyer or X-35). But, the Dufour does boast a lead keel Wink (Your friend is just a very fast sailor Wink)


Data according to (Swedish) sailguide.com:


Dufour 34 Performance

 

Typ av båt: (Type)

Segelbåt (sailboat)

Längd överallt: (Lenght overall)

10.6 m

Skrovlängd: (Lenght hull)

10.28 m

Längd i vattenlinjen: (waterline)

9.13 m

Bredd: (Beam)

3.48 m

Djupgående: (Draft)

1.9 m

Min. djupgående:

-

Deplacement:

5.7 ton

Fenköl (Bly):(Keel material)

1.67 ton

 

 

Hanse 342

 

Typ av båt:

Segelbåt

Längd överallt:

10.45 m

Skrovlängd:

10.35 m

Längd i vattenlinjen:

9.2 m

Bredd:

3.4 m

Djupgående:

1.85 m

Min. djupgående:

-

Deplacement:

5.4 ton

Fenköl (Järn):

1.7 ton

 

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Hmmm, these are interesting figures. I think I have to double-check my initial sources.

But you are right. I am a crappy sailor as I only came second.

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My crew (who consists of my daughter and my dog) spent the Christmas week in Egersund where we could pick up the prizes from the races we did in 2013. Mine was for coming second in the race mentioned in a few posts just before this one, the other one was for my daughter for being such a good crew in every journey we've undertaken.

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I know this is not a sail racing picture that belongs in the racing section of this forum but I somehow feel it is a bit linked to the racing I have done in my life. You know, I had to sail 1000 M to do my first race and then I sailed back.

The picture was taken during our visit to Norway where we kept Emilia during last winter.

Johan



Edited by Johan Hackman - 02 January 2014 at 22:03

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Hi Johan

Well done and well earned trophies!

I also think your success is proof that the Hanse 342 is in fact a true performance cruiser. Notice that the specs are very similar to those of the Dufour 34 Performance (see earlier in this thread). You might also compare with later models of the same size (both Hanses and other brands) and discover that boats are somehow getting heavier and heavierConfused

Uhh BTW, I also think your success is proof that you are not at all a "crappy" sailor as you put it yourself......or maybe you just have a fantastic crewWink

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