replacing self taking jib

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   Nickfabbri
you "agree that the self tacker is terrible"
I do not know who you are agreeing with but it certainly would not be me
As a single hander the self tacker is a boon & whilst it is not so good down wind ( what jib is?), reaching it just needs the addition of a pair of barber haulers to pull the clew down towards  the deck & it works admirably
It is excellent for heavy weather as one does not have to furl it in winds up to 30+ knots so always keeps its shape
It is good to windward & my Hyde ST can actually be pulled in from the ends of the track a bit to get really good pointing in lighter airs
I rarely use my 140% genoa ( yes I note you are referring to 108%)as when the wind gets up a bit it is too big for the boat & has to be furled thus loosing its shape. Biggest problem with my latest ST is the battens in the leech which make it awkward when changing sails as one cannot just stuff it in the bag so I tend to keep it up even in lighter airs

Daydream Believer

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samuel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 26 December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2770	Post Options Post Reply Quote samuel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2011 at 07:07
	Nickfabbri you "agree that the self tacker is terrible" I do not know who you are agreeing with but it certainly would not be me As a single hander the self tacker is a boon & whilst it is not so good down wind ( what jib is?), reaching it just needs the addition of a pair of barber haulers to pull the clew down towards the deck & it works admirably It is excellent for heavy weather as one does not have to furl it in winds up to 30+ knots so always keeps its shape It is good to windward & my Hyde ST can actually be pulled in from the ends of the track a bit to get really good pointing in lighter airs I rarely use my 140% genoa ( yes I note you are referring to 108%)as when the wind gets up a bit it is too big for the boat & has to be furled thus loosing its shape. Biggest problem with my latest ST is the battens in the leech which make it awkward when changing sails as one cannot just stuff it in the bag so I tend to keep it up even in lighter airs Daydream Believer
	Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex

holby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 18 February 2006 Location: Isle of Man Status: Offline Points: 2287	Post Options Post Reply Quote holby Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2011 at 07:38
	I also think the self tacker is a boon to single handed sailing and i for one are very happy with it.
	Hanse 301, tiller steering, Volvo 2010 (10hp)

BlueNote2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 17 December 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44	Post Options Post Reply Quote BlueNote2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2011 at 07:52
	Im just plain lazy and I think that the self tacker is brilliant
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echoofwight Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 08 August 2007 Location: Portsmouth UK Status: Offline Points: 270	Post Options Post Reply Quote echoofwight Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2011 at 08:25
	I think the self tacking jib makes a huge difference when short handed sailing. Sailing in the Solent can mean a lot of tacking. Mrs Echo can cook and make tea as I tack. The only problem I had with the self tacker was the way it could crash across the track when jibing in strong wind. I stopped this happening by running a control line that prevents the car crashing into the end stops. This line also enables me to move the car inboard remotely to improve the sheeting angle.
	Steve. Hanse 341 Echo of Wight, . Deep draft and rudder, white hull, Single aft cabin. Raymarine instruments. Raymarine radar. Garmin AIS. Wheel Steering, Portsmouth.

nickfabbri Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 21 April 2008 Status: Offline Points: 249	Post Options Post Reply Quote nickfabbri Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2011 at 09:38
	Samuel, Sorry, I just re read my post and the answer in confusing. Just to clarify, the self tacker that came with the boat is terrible. I needs a good high quality laminate to get the best from the boat . I chose the boat partly because by other half at the time wasnt interested in sailing and I wanted to be able to single handedly sail without killing myself and a self tacker suited me perfectly. I also sail with a barber hauler attached to pull the foot down, and agree that all sails are a series of compromises. But as with bluenote, I am essentially lazy and love watching other boats when we are racing short courses having to go through tack after tack and getting worn out.
	Nick71 Hanse 320

Eduard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 21 February 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 226	Post Options Post Reply Quote Eduard Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2011 at 16:26
	@Nick71. At which sailmaker did you order your Code 0? How about the costs for sail and furler? I am looking forward to read about your experiences with the code 0, including handling. Edited by Eduard - 06 June 2011 at 16:29
	Ed sy "Nimby" Hanse 342 #611 (2007); white hull, (one) wheel steering, Selden mast & boom, furlex 200S, deep draught, two cabins, traveller in cockpit, DSC VHF, inboard ap, B&G Zeus + Triton (2x)

nickfabbri Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 21 April 2008 Status: Offline Points: 249	Post Options Post Reply Quote nickfabbri Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2011 at 16:44
	All ordered from Northsails. The chap I spoke to seemed very competant. Quote is as follows: 4001333-001 G0 Gennaker Nylon Gradient Norlon 150 1 04 July 2011 £1,322.40 4001333-002 Bartels Furler FE/FAW III 1 16 May 2011 £630.00 Total Shipping Cost £106.80 Total Price £2,059.20 Total Tax Included £343.20 Hope this helps.
	Nick71 Hanse 320

skipper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vice Admiral Joined: 16 February 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 825	Post Options Post Reply Quote skipper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 July 2011 at 15:36
	Steve / echo of wight do you have some photo showing how you have routed the control line to the jib car/traveller? I and an old friend attended to a shorthanded competition and we managed to complete the "race", 30 of 140 didn't complete it. During the race I think a control line would be great to have. Standard self tacking is good enough for our vacation sailing.
	Cheers, Skipper Former owner of Hanse 342 2005 (Sparcraft mast, white hull, wheel steering, deep draft keel, short rudder)



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