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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gregor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 13:23
@Samuel, what do you mean by "my figures are wrong"? As far as I'm aware, I did not put any figures on any drawing.

You are most welcome in Herkingen to experience the system yourself. I'm happy with it and will get experience over time whilst using the system.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 13:33
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Please accept my apologies i meant to type sailkoop
I have edited the post
I must add - to each his own-If it works for you then OK

It is just that the figures suggest that there is no mechanical advantage so I cannot understand how it improves the system
That is what I was trying to find out

Please accept that there was no wish to cause offence

Edited by samuel - 22 November 2012 at 13:44
Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gregor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 13:37
Clear Samuel, thanks for getting back.

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only 16 to go :)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gizmo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 16:27
Gregor
 
How quickly you have got down from 31 to 16 !
 
To what do attribute your success ?
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sailkoop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 17:11
Hi Samuel,
when the the block on the Mast is on the boom, then the point is "fixed" and you have devide the Load from 100kg by 50% (remenber the moving block which is also working now on that line!). thats the Reason for the 50 + 50Kg in my example! And sorry I am correct. If you build up that drawing one to one in your workshop you will see that it works.Wink


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Peter-Blake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 17:22
@ Gregor: BTW

Preparing for your appointment are already running in the background


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brufan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 17:35
I'm one of the very rare owner of a Selden Mast & boom fitted on a Hanse (I still don't know why but I'm very happy with that).
The Selden reefing system is a piece of complex engeeniring but very easy to use.  It is also quite light to handle even with such a complex line and block system.  I can tighten the reefs but hand (if heading to the wind of course).
Another plus with Selden boom : it is very very rock solid and a lot thickier than the Z-spar.  On the other hand it is also a lot lot heavier but it won't bend in a (normal) gybe. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 18:35
Originally posted by sailkoop sailkoop wrote:

Hi Samuel,
when the the block on the Mast is on the boom, then the point is "fixed" and you have devide the Load from 100kg by 50% (remenber the moving block which is also working now on that line!). thats the Reason for the 50 + 50Kg in my example! And sorry I am correct. If you build up that drawing one to one in your workshop you will see that it works.Wink


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No the line coming off the clew has 100 kg load (just like the line coming off luff) the line from the car to the back of the boom is also 100 kg
This gives a total figure of 200 kg which has to be 200 kg to counteract the force of the luff side of the car
You cannot have 100 one side & 200 the other
Look at Peter Blakes drawing which is correct & demonstrates the situation very well
It is a simple law of physics every force has an equal & opposite force
. ---with the greatest of respect ---i still say you are wrong


Edited by samuel - 22 November 2012 at 18:39
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gregor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 November 2012 at 07:27
@Peter Blake: a place in the hall of fame is waiting for me :)

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