Hanse 385

Hi Kweetje,

Sorry but i don't agree with you. It's evident that Hanse with the latest models puts itself in compare with Bavaria. First on price target that are now identical and later on project concept.
The difference is that Bavaria builds 1500 boats per year for a long time and has building standards and quality suitable to the number of boats produced and these standards are still growing over time. Hanse has increased the number of boats produced without adjusting its process of quality control and losting constructive solutions that distinguished itself.
Please note that Bavaria in last years filled the technical design gap with Hanse entrusting the new lines to Farr Studio and now comes with boats performing like Hanses (I sailed on the new 40s and is really fast!).
In my experience the quality of design and construction of my 470
(Made of vacuum epoxy resin with steel structural frame) is not remotely comparable to the new 495. On the other hand the old 461 was even better...
I still remember in 2009 Genoa Boat Show presentation of the new 545 (hull No. 2) when the Italian dealers was ashamed picking up people on board because the boat had huge construction defects (for example, the cover of the engine compartment that could not be opened...)
I am proud of my boat, I think it is superior to any other of similar value, but the day that I will sell it i will not buy a new Hanse.

the boats compare in the water, not in paper.
From my own experiance the Bavarias are caravans with a decorative sail on top. Most of the users (99% charterers ) motor around, using the sails only if the weather conditions are mild and the wind direction favorable.
ON THE CONTRARY most Hanses are private boats and the owner gets a lot of rewards from sailing and unfortunately from maintaining it.

There is no comparison between the two boats.

Morning all.

Stuck in harbour by horrendous rain so might as well throw in my tuppence (2 eurocents) worth:

I am in the group of owners who would not trade in/up to a newer Hanse. The so-called 'Loft Apartment' design simply is not to my taste.

Furthermore, I do not like the rectangular design of the furniture. I want my boat to look and feel like a boat. The only other Hanse I would consider is the 371.

Do not try to convince me either that the 'modern' design is not about cutting production costs. Hanse are a business in an extrememely competitive market and have to make a profit to survive so I don't criticise them for this.

A remark from the missus: "Only one sink in the galley, what are Hanse thinking about?"

This quote from Judel & Vrolijk reads well and I look forward to seeing a 385 in the flesh.

Designer brief

Our task was to design a boat in the size of the Hanse 375 that would incorporate the style of the recently introduced 445 and 495. The boat should have the same excellent sailing qualities while offering even more comfort and easier handling.

The extended waterline increases the yacht’s speed potential. She is very well balanced and herlarge rudder offers reliable and accurate control. Manoeuvring in the marina is made even easier thanks to the provision of additional mounting space for the bow and stern thrusters.

Like her larger sister ships, the rig is very simple to operate. Again, the self-tacking jib is designed so large that it has enough sail area even in low winds and a 106% Genoa is an option. Wide overlapping upwind sails are not provided so the chain plates are mounted far outside in order to keep mast weight as low as possible. The yard will offer asymmetric spinnakers for reaching courses, which can be set at anchor fitting.

Dual wheels allow the helmsman good views forward and clarity when in harbour. Coach roof winches are not provided so the spray hood does not hinder sailing manoeuvres and the space underneath can be better used as a storage area. The large transom unfolds as a swimming platform. Even without it the cockpit with fixed helmsman seat is closed aft.

The layout is also new. You can choose between two twin cabins aft with a short pantry or a double cabin with a long galley and large storage locker. In the bow is a spacious owner's cabin with a double berth much larger than its predecessor, as is the salon. Throughout the boat standing heights have been improved by a few centimetres compared to the H 375.

The structure, equipment and systems were all worked out with the latest computerised 3D programs. All components are milled in-house and all forms, including the structure and inner shells, have been built into the first available boat.

Torsten Conradi, Judel/Vrolijk & co

Oh well, back to my book - "We, The Drowned" by Carsten Jensen.




Skål



p.s.

How long are the sofas in the saloon? I have the two bench layout and would not want to change this.




Edited by franko - 17 July 2011 at 08:40

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