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oceanbluesail09
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Posted: 20 July 2008 at 15:35 |
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hi richard, thanks. i supposed the dealer was being quite optimisitc in the quoted time. quite a daunting task ahead getting the specs right before starting off. will kep you guys updated on the progress.
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gshannon
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Posted: 20 July 2008 at 23:32 |
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Hanse's are great boats, and I have a 371 myself, and love it.
However, as a Naval Architect myself, and having designed several long distance cruising boats, I would not choose a 540 or 630 for such a voyage. This is because Hanse's are optimized for family cruising, where most sleeping and cooking is done at anchor or in a marina. Even though they are good fast sailors they lack many attributes I consider necessary for long distance singlehanding. Apart from the watertight bulkheads I will mention a few other things: Inadequate anchor arrangement, especially models with folding anchor rollers. These cannot possibly be made strong enough for anchoring in storm conditions. Lack of a sheltered steering position. Of course you will be using an autopilot or self-steering most of the time, but these can fail, and you may end up having to steer for long periods in bad conditions. I would insist on at the very minimum a hardtop and windscreen as fitted on larger Hallberg-Rassy boats, or preferably an enclosed wheelhouse. Hanse's tankage is on the small side, especially fuel. Battery power also tends to be less than optimal (if unplugged from shore for months at a time). Galley not set up for use at sea, lack of good sea berths. Of course for singlehanding you only need one! Most of the issues can be fixed, but it is generally more expensive to add thngs like watertight bulkheads than to build then in from the start. The twin wheels fitted on larger Hanses are great for the cockpit layout but create extra friction and make the autopilot work harder and therefore use more power. The rig is not very versatile when single handed in widely varied conditions. My first choice is a "slutter" rig as featured on Saga yachts. To keep this short, boats I would recommend are the Chuck Paine designed Able Apogee (one is for sale in USA) and any of the various Deerfoot and Sundeer models by Steve Dashew. These are boats built and designed for serious long distance sailing. I'd buy the Able in a heartbeat if I could afford it. I'd recommend a really well cared for USED boat as new boats have too many needs. It has taken me nearly 6 years to get my (much smaller) Hanse to a state of near perfection for my purposes. A careful search on Yachtworld would probably turn up several other suitable boats. On the other hand there are many good custom builders and designers who would help you get a suitable boat. But a custom built boat usually drops in value by half almost immediately. The way to avoid this is to buy a used one and let the other fellow absorb that initial depreciation. Just one opinion from a guy who has sailed for 38 years and owned 10 cruising and racing yachts. |
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oceanbluesail09
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Posted: 21 July 2008 at 08:01 |
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Hi Grahame, thanks for the reply. really useful information.
The issue wiht old yachts is the history is not very clear, and its quite hard to knowwhat kind of wear and tear the boat has undergone in the past. Of course having an experienced marine surveyor along may fix this issue. on the option of building one, a) this is a very expensive route. i did speak to merfin owen as well as Marten Yachts. But the cost comes to well over $1 million for a 50ft yacht plus the design / performance will still be unproven. The advantage I find with of going with a hanse (or another production yacht) is the tested deisgn. If it can be modified (with water tight bulkheads etc) during the production process this would be my first option. I yet need to speak to Hanse about this. As far as the rigging is concerned, the Hanse 54 seems a bit more managable than the 630. I will need to work on the rig for a single handed sail. Ideally i would like to have a full manual rig, to keep things simple. Still not sure how practical it is on the boat of this size. THe other option of going for a purpose built yacht such as the Open 60 is also available. Quite expensive yachts (though an old one could be bought for 400,000 Eur. Very expensive to maintain and not much use after the circumnavigation. Will still be looking at other yacht options. Will keep you posted. |
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colincooper
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Posted: 21 July 2008 at 08:15 |
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It strikes me that an approach to Hanse at the head office is required. They may well be interested in the promotional / marketing aspects of you solo, single handed, around the world in a Hanse. They might be willing to talk about customising the fitting out of a new boat at cost plus not too much. They do have some pretty talented designers on their team.
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Richard108
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Posted: 21 July 2008 at 10:06 |
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Hi Bhavik The time you were quoted to build a Hanse would not have included the waiting time from the time you order to the start of building and also the delivery and the commissioning time would not have been included. Often it takes close to a year once an order is placed before the yacht starts to be built, but this obviously varies quite a lot. I would suggest you can manage a 540 single handled in high winds if you add the appropriate rigging for storm sails, reefing lines and in particular bigger winches. I would recommend at least 65 winches (70's would be my choice). The boat comes comes with 46's and 54's. I have replace by 46's with 65's and also added an extra set of 65's. Edited by Richard108 - 21 July 2008 at 10:11 |
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Rubato
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Posted: 21 July 2008 at 18:03 |
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Grahame, very sound advice. I doubt I would have chosen a Hanse if a lot of off-shore voyages were in my sights - nothing wrong with the performance or integrity of the yacht, just not the purpose for which they are built (nor most of the modern day yachts). Bhavik, the suggestion above about talking with Hanse direct is a very good one. Their cooperation in this endevour is paramount I would say. Have a look at this thread... http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2318 a minor inconvenience perhaps but you don't want this stuff happening on a solo circumnavigation.
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zephyrus
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Posted: 23 July 2008 at 19:12 |
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Although I own a hanse of the other side of the range (a 315) I do not understand the choice for a 60 foot Hanse.
Like stated by the others. A Hanse is designed for cruising and maybe a friendly match, but certainly not for circumnavigation. Let alone singlehanded.
In heavy winds I have troubles handling the main sail on my 315. It is beyond my imagination how to handle the main of a 60 foot Hanse, especially in heavy wind and with additional problems like a line getting stucked or a failing block (not seldomly reported on this forum)
I would anyhow choose a smaller boat if the investement is too high, with more but smaller sails. And I would choose a boat that is designed for singlehanded circumnavigation in the first place, with lots of handrails, round edges in the interior and a sea berth. All things can be changed on a one-off Hanse, but why bother.
I know of course "size does matter", but I would choose safety first.
Lots of wisdom in your choice.
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oceanbluesail09
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Posted: 23 July 2008 at 19:26 |
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Hi Zephryus, and thanks to allon this forum..
im still considering other yachts...maybe an used Open 60 or a heavier swan or island packet etc... the problem with the used open 60 is that it is very difficult to evaluate the seaworthiness and the structural damage that may have been caused by prior circumnavigatons.. there are quite a few up for sale in teh range of Eur 500,000. However, for that price, i may as well get a good deal on a cruser that can be used for much more afterwards....the Hanse did offer a lot fo value for money, but its been educational reading the responses on this forum...modifications required would be very expensive...and we are short on time as well.. will keep you guys posted. |
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Easy_Diver
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Posted: 26 July 2008 at 14:19 |
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Hi Oceanbluesail09, I am planning to buy 37 – 40 range boat just for sailing in the East-Med region and already started to check deeply the problems which the Owner’s of boats in different brands like Beneteau, Bavaria, Jeanneau, Hanse etc. (due to my limited budget). I am already much too scared with the problems on such mass-production boats ! To undertake a solo circumnavigation around the globe, via the three capes, solo, non-stop and unsupported ! I would definitely go with much stronger built boats. Understood you are from Sweden, so why don’t you go with Sweden Yachts which I could not see in your list. Time to time, I am sailing with a Sweden Yacht 50 (owned by the boss) and quite amazed its strong hull and the quality of every piece.
By the way, I am currently reading a book about Vandee Globe race (Godforsaken Sea) giving an idea about what it can be solo in Southern Ocean and "roaring forties”, "furious fifties" and "shrieking sixties". Wooovvv, too scary ! |
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Anders
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Posted: 04 October 2009 at 14:11 |
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Hi
I own a 540, sail a lot on my own, and would have no hesitation to sail the yacht on such long trips. It is very easy to handle, however, naturally from a standard version, would upgrade some of the equipment
Good luck
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