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Posted: 28 July 2008 at 14:20

I dont get it:can only be money.

I prefer the 430e,(mine!!)

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Posted: 28 July 2008 at 15:51

Don't agree with you... maybe because I haven't already invested in an older design :-)

Myself, I really didn't like the 2007 modell with the strange combination of old and new styling in windows, but this new design is a great step forward.

Two shrouds down to deck in a two spreader rig is normally a more costly and less heavy design, indeed an improvement.

Furler below deck is excellent. Makes it much easier to climb onboard for us mooring with the bow to the shore. Looks nicer too. The removed mainsheet traveller on the other hand is a stupid cost saving measure, maybe one can hope that the cockpit traveller option will be offered too.

One or two wheels? Guess it depends on the size of the wheels. I personally found even the 1400mm wheel on the old model to be a little bit too small, however the picture indicates a slightly larger wheel maybe 1500mm given the cut out in the cockpit floor.

Is there a hull portlight in the aft cabins too? It difficult to tell but it apperas so from one of the pictures.

The interior re-design is still not revealed more than the initial drawings. Anyone who has any news on the layout? Any real pictures?

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Posted: 29 July 2008 at 09:08

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Two shrouds down to deck in a two spreader rig is normally a more costly and less heavy design, indeed an improvement.

Why is it more costly? Please elaborate.

Furler below deck is excellent. Makes it much easier to climb onboard for us mooring with the stern to shore.

True ashore. But furlers are prone to jamming, and I would not like to fight against a jammed furler in the anchor locker while sailing. In my opinion the advantages (i.e.: moderately reduced windage) do not overcome the disadvantages.

But again, maybe it's just because I have invested in an older model ;-)

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Posted: 29 July 2008 at 13:46

I guess I've been fooled by a Seldén sales rep. All Seldén two spreader masts I've seen use this design.

The weight reduction is not going to be considerable given that the same mast profile is used. More important is maybe that there will be less wear and tear on the middle shrouds not having to bend and pass through the lower spreader. It will also be easier to trim the mast with only two shrouds to adjust on deck level (after the initial rigging has been done the middle shroud will be fixed in length).

I have had the furler below deck for more than 10 years now and did experience some jamming initially. However, after realising that it only takes one hand on the control line to limit the speed of the drum when setting sail, this has never happend again. The jamming I had was due to control line not rolling up evenly when the line was left with some slack and the drum was revolving fast.

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Posted: 30 July 2008 at 18:16

Very interesting to see how it is being developed but I must say that I remain happy(ier) with my (original) version.

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I would miss the transom seats on either side - I don't have the fold down platform and feel the orignal version was quite open enough. The seats are used often.
I would certainly miss being able to lead the mainsheet and jibsheet to the primary winches - that facility is so useful when sailing short-handed and one can safely leave just the helm in charge and still able to adjust trim easily.
Losing the seats means relocating the gas lockers. It looks like the cockpit sole may be a little higher and I guess the gas storage is under the sole in what look like one of the hinged floor lockers.
Twin wheel presumably mean chain or cable linkage, thus quite possibly losing the excellent direct feel of the rod-link steering.
Losing the traveller does reduce the scope for fine-tuning and the ability to ease the boom quickly in a sudden strong gust.

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The outward opening windows - great to get ventilation when it is raining.
The twin-wheel option offer a useful fixed table and bracing point.
The number of hinges in the stern cockpit sole suggest better access via hatches to the considerable space under there that I can only access by crawling through the aft cabins.
It still has the same (brilliant) hull!

It will be interesting to see the new version "in the flesh"

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Posted: 31 July 2008 at 08:31

I agree with your comment Jof:

I would certainly miss being able to lead the mainsheet and jibsheet to the primary winches - that facility is so useful when sailing short-handed and one can safely leave just the helm in charge and still able to adjust trim easily.

But why would this not be possible with the new location of roof top winches?

From what I can see from the pictures the halyards and sheets come out in the same position and must run around another set of organisers to be able to be run to the centered winches. Why would it then not be possible to pull them straight ahead to the main winches as on the older models?

There are more pictures and news on the Danish dealer's webpage:

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Posted: 31 July 2008 at 08:57

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Why would it then not be possible to pull them straight ahead to the main winches as on the older models?

you could. But you would be not able to stop the line as it would not pass through the organizers.
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I guess you mean it would not pass through the clutches, rights?

Why would I like it to go through the clutch? This would only mean that I need to make my way all the way to the roof top when easing the sheets.

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I guess you mean it would not pass through the clutches, rights?

Why would I like it to go through the clutch? This would only mean that I need to make my way all the way to the roof top when easing the sheets.

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There are certainly times when you need to transfer the sheets (particularly the mainsheet) between the primary and secondary winches so I think you do need a clutch. I leave the sheet clutches open to allow trimming so you don't need to go forward when easing them, so that is not a problem.

Taking the main or jib sheet back from the bank of clutches shown in the photo would mean huge friction and sideway loads because of the angle involved. Perhaps the answer would be a separate clutch further forward for the sheets that would allow either winch to be used.

Of more concern to me would be the fact that I find the smaller winch is just not up to the job of hauling up the main halyard and so that would also need a separate clutch and routing to the primary winch. Not impossible to do, I am sure, but it should be standard, I feel.

Also, the following link to Royal Sailing in Croatia has photos of the new interior - some interesting ideas and developments:

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