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Points: 1256 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gregor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2012 at 22:46
IMO, if the system I have would cause difficulties, I don't think it would be promoted by riggers and yacht brokers.... I have sailed with the new system three times (used it) and it was easy to use, less strength needed and a very flat reef.

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My Hanse has an eye on the boom. Its purpose is not to stop one sheeting too far down because if I do it jams on the eye
The actual purpose is to keep the luff forward & counteract the pull from the clew

Edited by samuel - 15 November 2012 at 08:25
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Hello Gregor,
A simular system to yours 595-688-E but the car is moving ,front and backwards ,inside the bome.
www.seldenmast.com    product information    Manuals for assembly      single line reefing conversion (if the link dont works)
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Edited by Wild - 15 November 2012 at 08:59
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Hello Samuel,

Interesting! Can you post a small drawing of your tird reef system?
It is not very clear to me(my bad english ,probably)
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Hi All
 
@Seileren @Sailkoop
 
Good to know that Hanse's system works well for some. We have an upgraded vang on our boat which I am certain has never been serviced. When the vang is released, the boom does NOT lift beyond the horizontal(although we don't need to use our topping lift).
 
 
 
I am beginning to wonder whether the gas strut in the vang needs to be serviced. If the boom were to lift over the horizontal, then getting clew down to the boom should be easy enough.
 
@samuel
 
I like the idea of marking the mast instead of the halyard and using the battens to line up to the mark. A couple of questions do spring to mind though
  • we use a sprayhood and a bimini - we do not have a cockpit traveller. Should one be taking the bimini down when reefing? I would think not for the first reef but possibly for the second and definitely for the third? I have never used a third reef - we dont have one.
  • if one is using a bimini and a sprayhood, it is really difficult to see the mast and therefore any tape on the mast. The plastic window on the sprayhood doesnt give me a clear enough view of what is happening. This is the reason I mark the halyard. I suspect that you have a cockpit traveller and dont have this problem?
  • When you release the main halyard slightly after using the winch to finally set the reef, the batten will have gone past your tape due to winching the reefing line and then when you release the halyard it will go back to the mark? Am I understanding this step?
  • Do you think dyneema halyards will be better than non-dyneema for reefing?

Thanks to all for sharing experiences



Edited by Swanji - 15 November 2012 at 10:05
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Points: 437 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sailkoop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 November 2012 at 13:40
Hi Swanji,
to the vang, my vang goes up almost 10° over the horizontal position. So, their is not a Problem to fix the leech on the boom.
I also hold the Main with the Halyard, that the block which is in the Main are not touching the boom. The reason therefor is that I doesn't want to have add. Friction. And yes, if you have markes on the Mast or on the Halyard for the right Positions of the Main by reefing will help alot!!Tongue
Last word to the bimini. I also have my boat in Croatia, but I never go out for sailing and having the bimini in use! It's storaged by sailing, even if you come in more Wind by gusts or anything else, you have a lot better control with an eye on your Sail and your Rigg as without.Thumbs Up
You can Support your Crew (in my case very often my wife!!) to coordinate there work and you can reduse damages coming from an electrical Winsch!!

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Originally posted by Wild Wild wrote:

Hello Gregor,
A simular system to yours 595-688-E but the car is moving ,front and backwards ,inside the bome.
www.seldenmast.com    product information    Manuals for assembly      single line reefing conversion (if the link dont works)
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Hello Wild,

Can't open the link. Inside the boom there are two cars moving, one for the first and one for the second reef.

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It works by me but try
www.seldenmast.com
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Single line reef conversion.
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All interresting. I have incountered ripping out the third reef from the sail.  My third reef is installed just like the others.
But one thing, reefs at both ends makes to mutch rope in the cockpit bags MUCH TO MUCH.
My salesman told me that the most efficient would be having the reefs at  the leech only and that all three reefs at the mast should me attached to a hook on the boom.
The outcoming is releaf for reefing and a hell of allot of rope in less. 
I always found that reefing is done to late resulting in problems doing it.
I for one make the 1st reef at 14 knots, the second at 20 knots and the third at 26. 
Mind you in the Med they say , chances of gusts of 40% superior. It happens all the time.
The Jeanneau wich I had in an other life had the hooks and worked well. To attach them we had a system that resembles the straps that truckers use to attach there loads. The strength is above needed.

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To give an overview. The block in the middle of the boom is inside the boom.


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