Sheeted Jib vs Self Tacker

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   Great! Please do share as I’m intrigued. My last boat (not a Hanse) had essentially the same rig and I had both the std self tacker and a 105% Genoa (limited to 105-% like on the Hanse with the swept spreaders) and the Genoa did make a big difference even though the area wasn’t that much bigger. 
An alternative is something like this - which may be more practical and avoid having to swap between the self tacker and Genoa, especially as the self tacker takes time with the battens

https://crusadersails.com/sail/super-zero/

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Matt1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 10 March 2019 Location: Hamble, UK Status: Offline Points: 727	Post Options Post Reply Quote Matt1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 January 2025 at 15:59
	Great! Please do share as I’m intrigued. My last boat (not a Hanse) had essentially the same rig and I had both the std self tacker and a 105% Genoa (limited to 105-% like on the Hanse with the swept spreaders) and the Genoa did make a big difference even though the area wasn’t that much bigger. An alternative is something like this - which may be more practical and avoid having to swap between the self tacker and Genoa, especially as the self tacker takes time with the battens https://crusadersails.com/sail/super-zero/
	Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK

Cablecar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 30 January 2020 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 39	Post Options Post Reply Quote Cablecar Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 January 2025 at 17:03
	True a Code 0 is a good addition to the sail inventory.
	Cable Car Hanse 418 #281 New England

spam Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 22 February 2017 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 96	Post Options Post Reply Quote spam Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 January 2025 at 19:30
	Hi landlocked quick question, on the 415 the covers that go over the halyards extend to the area where the tracks need to go. My understanding is that the Al plates are laminate into the deck underneath the covers (instead of in the covers). I believe the same is true on the 400. Did you just drill through the covers and then into the deck underneath the covers to mount the tracks? Are the covers essentially flush on the deck there? I always wondered about the construction Harold S/V Ventus 415/314

landlocked Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 12 April 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 568	Post Options Post Reply Quote landlocked Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2025 at 17:57
	Hi Harold: On my 400 (2006) the plates are adjacent to the covers so the tracks are bolted to the deck, not the covers. My covers definitely would not support the compression force if the tracks were bolted through them. Maybe you can double-check the location of the plates - I found two Hanse drawings for the 400 that showed the plates in different locations so unfortunately you can't trust all the drawings. The actual location and plate size was exactly as shown in the (correct) drawing. I've attached some photos that include the Hanse drawing location and the Zircon tool I used to confirm and tape out the location. We drilled and tapped the holes and bedded the tracks down with butyl rubber. I re-tightened the bolts regularly over the following months until the tracks were fully bedded down. There is a lot of force on these tracks including some shock-loading.
	"Kerkyra" 400e #042

landlocked Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 12 April 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 568	Post Options Post Reply Quote landlocked Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 January 2025 at 18:26
	Hi again Harold: I found this picture of a 415 so I see what you mean. The construction is different from the 400. I can remove the covers to get at the deck organizer and lines and to clean out that area but it looks like the covers are more "permanent" on the 415. Maybe you can bolt through the covers as you said but it seems quite different from the 400 so my comparison won't be much help.
	"Kerkyra" 400e #042

spam Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 22 February 2017 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 96	Post Options Post Reply Quote spam Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 January 2025 at 19:31
	Hi Landlocked, Thanks for all the photos. It indeed looks like the 400 is different from the 415 in this respect. It looks like I will need to do some more research. One other question, how did you remove the liner on the inside of the cabin? Looks like you found a way to remove it Harold S/V Ventus 415/314

Cablecar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Lieutenant Joined: 30 January 2020 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 39	Post Options Post Reply Quote Cablecar Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 January 2025 at 20:08
	Harold - The "liner" on the 415/418 is 2 parts. The fabric panels are glued on to the fiberglass liner which is then glued to the deck. Access to the space between the two can be had through the lights and the wiring compartment under the mast.
	Cable Car Hanse 418 #281 New England

samuel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral of the Fleet Joined: 26 December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2770	Post Options Post Reply Quote samuel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 January 2025 at 12:35
	If there are plates in the deck under the covers & the track does not foul the organisers then a possible solution would be to cut a slot in the cover. The track will sit on the deck & not have to be moved when the cover is moved to check the organisers and service the ropes.(a stuck organiser could wear badly & chaffe the lines) If it is a case of bolting through to plates inside, this would be even better as no internal work would be needed to release the covers.
	Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex

Matt1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Rear Admiral Joined: 10 March 2019 Location: Hamble, UK Status: Offline Points: 727	Post Options Post Reply Quote Matt1 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 09 January 2025 at 13:18
	I wonder if we are all missing a trick here? Later 418’s built after mine, came with a pad eye fitted on the coachroof either side and just aft of the mast. Noting that french builders prefer a bridle with a friction ring over tracks anyway, I wonder if that is what these pad eyes in combination with the folding pad eye on the toerail/bulwark could be used for. By all accounts the adjustable bridle is the favoured choice these days as it apparently gives more control? Not having the boat in front of me I can’t quite see the geometry to work out whether that would work on a 418 / 415 but it would be a lot cheaper and easier to do if it did https://www.bwsailing.com/bw/boat-reviews-jeanneau-349/
	Hanse 418 #64 EmBer. Hamble, UK



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