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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Black Diamond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2024 at 10:56
This was an estimate I got a few years back before I did the thru-hulls.    I did not have it done by Hinkley, but this had the sizes and cost.   There are a lot of holes in the bottom of our boats... :-)

Considering this included labor, not a bad number.  





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Black Diamond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2024 at 12:54
Sorry for not answering until now.   Yes, same size   I maintained all dimensions 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2024 at 15:10
Thank you so much everyone for the responses.  This has been gold (!) and has enabled me to prepare for a (hopefully) efficient haulout by getting the right materials ready and my work order sorted out.
  • I'll have a few extra thru-hulls in case any are damaged from the prior valve removals or the remaining thread is too short to accommodate the valve with load collar
  • Good tip/method on trimming to length
  • Replacing the A/C strainer is the part I'm most eager to do.  Every time I touch that thing to clean the basket I'm worried that it is going to snap off below the valve.
  • I'll forgo the holding tanks since the valve is inline
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2017 Hanse 588 | Hull 19 | Deep draft | 150hp | 220v & 110v systems | Lithium House Bank
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wayne's World Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2024 at 18:19
Jon,

When we replaced our valves after almost 10 years use some were like new on the inside whilst others that looked OK on the outside but were badly corroded on the inside. The engine sea water intake and the sullage tank drain valves were in the worst condition. One of the sullage tank valves was leaking because the "ball" part of the valve was scored. The nipples in each case were corroded and very thin. The air cond sea water inlet valve was also in poor condition. Our engine sea water inlet valve is 1 1/4" with a 90 degree 38mm nipple. The sullage tanks drain valves are 1 1/4" with 38 mm nipple with a 90 degrees nipple. The air cond sea water thru hull is 1". I think it is better to replace all the valves rather than leave a few which could fail in a few years time. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2024 at 20:19
Thank you, Wayne.  I will prep for those, too.

I did, unfortunately, discover that I'm not quite as lucky as I was hoping.  While the existing thru-hulls are TruDesign, they are very likely to be BSP ... the standard elsewhere on the boat and in many parts of the world.  So, those of you elsewhere can have better luck by getting BSP TruDesign valves to put on your BSP TruDesign thru-hulls.  Unfortunately, the US distributor is NPS TruDesign only for the ball valves.  So this thread incompatibility will require me to change the thru-hulls to NPS to match the ball valves available.

At least I discovered it before!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2024 at 22:13
Jon. If you want to use your existing TruDesign thru hull there is a Groco ball valve that has BSPP threads. Available in US. 

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Also, these are high quality bronze fitting and there are BSPP tail pieces available at the same site. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2024 at 00:22
Quick note. Jon, you mentioned changing thru hull to NPS. That is not possible since the fitting needs a straight thread for the nut to tighten down to the hull.
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Sorry, I mistook NPS for NPT. NPS is in fact straight thread like BSP, but it is a different standard and is not compatible with BSP.  
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An in-process update.  The US (or Canadian for that matter) can get BSP ball valves, but they are (a) special order to them, (b) require a case purchase of 50+ for each size, and (c) either wait for boat shipment from NZ to Florida or pay to air them in.  I do have great things to say about their US distributor if you are doing a complete or new install and can/want to just go NPS -- very helpful, responsive, and friendly (ya know, like all marine vendors Wink). 

Instead, I have decided that the simpler thing to do was import BSP valves, a few BSP thru-hull fittings in case we wreck some getting the old bronze ball valves off, and BSP thread-to-barb adapters from a country where that's the standard.  I randomly selected the UK and found that I could live with the ex-VAT pricing given how much I'll save by not swapping out 20 perfectly fine thru-hulls.

I'll circle back in a month or so with either lessons learned or a successful report.  Thank you to those who provided feedback on this thread topic -- it prevented a major derailing of the project.


Edited by Lyn - 05 June 2024 at 23:27
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