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Br00tus 
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 Posted: 15 April 2008 at 19:47 |
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This is all quite disturbing ... especially to a newcomer ...
Shouldn't Hanse provide recommended settings and tensions to riggers who commision the boats?
The various tensions mentioned by different posts indicate this subject to be very subjective - there must be some formula / guidelines / science to ensure its done correct?
Considering the nature of the rig this all seems a little lapse...
Even if I get my rig checked by a 'rigger' how do I know its correct when you recieve the boat?
The more I read this forum ... the more I'm convinced my boat is going simply fall to pieces!
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Alain & Anne
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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 21:15 |
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In fact rig tensionner does exist for small rigs. But over 7-8mm the best way is to use the SELDEN trick.
This is (IMHO) the best way to tune the rig the correct value. That needs some time but result are very good. For more explanation go to the SELDEN Web site!! |
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bjoris
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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 22:03 |
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My dealer have sent me the tention-guide for the 350. I have stored it at my PC at job. I`ll be back tomorrow with this. Br00tus: Don`t worry to much. It is not the end of the world, far from. You will need to adjust the rigg after sometime even if the tention is okey at delivery. If you dont like to do this your self there must be a lot of riggers how can do this the right way, it seems R&D is not one of them. Sadly as it is R&D how fits mine. I don`t have a tentionmeter with me, should have I see now, but I guess this is not easy to find in Germany in a day or two...
Copains report was not good reading I agree and I am very interessed to see what he finds out about this topics. Leaks are a well know problem on new boats. It must be possible to fix but ofcourse it is very annoying. Pumping rigs seems to be a well know thing about Hanse, also both annoying and scary but normaly (hopefully) it is just the tuning of the rig that is wrong. The boat slamming in the waves I think will happen to most new design boats in those conditions... It is a drawback with our fast small boats... Compromise... Well, I am still confident that my 350 will be a good boat, and it is not a long wait anymor, just 6 days... I`ll be back with my experience after 550 nmil, planning to be at my homeport 4 of may it will be a report straight after that...  Edited by bjoris - 15 April 2008 at 22:44 |
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Fun & Function
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Joined: 02 December 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 134 |
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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 22:36 |
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Does anyone have the tension guides for the other Hanse models?
I am a bit concerned by your comments and like to check my rig before I go out in any serious weather again.
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bjoris
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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 22:43 |
Send an e-mail to Jørn in Stavanger, he is the one at Hanse in Norway (Nelson) how have this in his fingers... Very good sailor...
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Conundrum
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Posted: 16 April 2008 at 10:22 |
Select your model when select 'Trim Tips'
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Alain & Anne
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Posted: 16 April 2008 at 13:18 |
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And North Sails send you to........ Selden mast tuning guide!!!
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copain
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Posted: 16 April 2008 at 19:37 |
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Hi Guys,
Got home safe through the Dutch channels and rivers (very nice trip) after our Northsea adventure.
Hetterschijt organised for me to go to a rigger to fix the problem with the halyard jamming.
 Looking at the problem
 The problem !!
This is how the disk came out and the rigger told me this material is moulded while proper disks should be turned out of solid teflon like material.
There is a bush inserted which is made of teflon? ALthough on the picture below the material looks different from the pic above it is the same stuff. It has to do with camera settings
The one above is the real color.
 I reckon the fact there is a bit of play between bush and disk and another bit of play between the shaft end the bush this adds to the problem.
f.e holding the bush I could move the disk 3mm either way. I was not able to check the play of the bush against the shaft but if that would be same we are talking about 6 mm.
 This the material which should have been used according to the rigger and the only one he would put in. Turned out of a solid bar of teflon. He also told me disks made of the moulded material could just split through the middle.
Looking at this material I would say. This is the stuff !!!
There are a lot of people in our marina using this rigger and they all are impressed with his advise and service.
The groove in the molded disk is deeper which makes the walls a lot thinner for longer. Its difficult to show this unless you spend a day doing measurements but I just held it against the light to give you an idea. see below.
 Any ideas of how to prevent these things from happening for future Hanse owners ???
I would like to say Hetterschijt reacted promptly and handled this matter
correctly.
Greetings Willem
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Fun & Function
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Posted: 16 April 2008 at 21:54 |
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Conundrum,
Thanks for sharing this link. I was not aware of this and found it very useful!
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Steinar
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bjoris
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Posted: 17 April 2008 at 20:54 |
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Thank you Copain! Very usefull information and bad news that this still is a problem, refering to e.g Johan Hackman, same problem last year on his 342... Any news on the other topics? Did the rigger cheek your rig-tention?
I have difficulties loging into myhanse.com sometimes so therefor my promises to give you the tention-guide for the 350 rigg, did take some time, but here it is (I have got this information from my Norwegian dealer, Nelson Marine):
Cap-Shrouds: 22%
Intermediate Shrouds: 14%
Lower Shrouds: 18%
If you use the tentionmeter, Loos model TP-3M your suppose to have this figures:
Cap-Shrouds: 22% (Loos showing 25)
Intermediate Shrouds: 14% (Scale showing: 19)
Lower Shrouds: 18% (Loos showing: 23)
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