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Mark&Catherine 
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 Posted: 08 February 2014 at 12:43 |
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Hi bigcat , most of the boats in Dubai are B boats, we leave the oceanis for dead, not in the same league at all. We race regularly against the B firsts, and we are about the same speed as the 34.7s. They are a little shorter, but sail with carbon race sails and 135% Genoas, so they should be faster in lighter winds.
There are only a few Js here and they mostly cruise, but there about the same speed as the B oceanis. To be completely fair, we have a racey 105 genoa that we use when racing, iits not much bigger than the ST but it's stiffer, and we have modified the main sheet for 50 quid, see the photos in chit chat 'hanses in Dubai' thread. We have a big a2 for running, but the B firsts run symmetric poled spinnakers so they can go deeper, means we are sailing faster that the firsts but further. Our handicap is .996 and theirs is .998 However spread isn't everything. I like the Js coach roof shape, it look modern I think. The hanse is a bit more angular. They look sleek though because of th high side, low coach roof design. |
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385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine
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iemand
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Posted: 09 February 2014 at 17:20 |
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Hi Peter Blake, wh do yo think an X is faster than a Dehler? Dehler 38 and Xp38 is comparable.
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Idelfix
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Posted: 09 February 2014 at 17:55 |
Hi i think Dehler is faster  |
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Peter-Blake
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Posted: 10 February 2014 at 15:44 |
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@idelfix:
1. You compare the Dehler 38 performance to the XP38. My thoughts about standart speed were going about the standart Dehler 38 (less Sailarea, less draft......). Than the X is faster for sure! But 2. Following your numbers i think the X-Yacht is still faster. look at the draft, that is the biggiest diffrence: The more shallow draft keel (2.20 from the Dehler) has LESS!!!!! weight than the keel from the X-Yacht. about 570 kg more and in addition 20 cm deeper that is a Number!!!! |
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Idelfix
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Posted: 10 February 2014 at 18:54 |
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The XP(performance)38 and not the Xc38, is to compare with with the Dehler 38P don't you think.
The standard draft on XP 38 is 2.1 meter but this is a (on the paper race) Dehler beam is 5 cm more and less wight so the draft difrent don't do much to speed i think The real race is still to com i think
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Mark&Catherine
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Posted: 10 February 2014 at 19:09 |
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All I know is that there is a very nice x 45 here that did the 75 mile offshore with us, and it was just FAST
I know I would like one, but I also know it's much more money than my Hanse. |
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Martin&Rene
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Posted: 10 February 2014 at 21:25 |
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Going back partly to the original theme of this thread in that somebody was assessing what mid 30ft boat to choose, these are my thoughts from the London Boat Show, comparing the Jeanneau 349 and the Hanse 345.
The overall feel of the build quality inside was better on the Hanse. If felt that the aim of the 349 was to make it a nicer apartment style interior; hence the double doors into the front cabin. However if you look at the practical side, I thought that the front cabin was smaller on the 349, with less storage space. In the main cabin, there is no storage space above the seats, they just have a shelf which in the brochure shots has either a flower or an ornament on it? The Jeanneau rep was showing somebody the storage space, behind the seats, but would you want to go behind the seat cushions every time you want a can of soup? There is only a single sink on the 349, whilst the 345 has a double sink and that does make a lot of difference when you are preparing meals and washing up. Again the 345 had less storage space in the galley than the 345. Whilst the sail areas are nominally similar, this is if you have the overlapping jib on the 349. If you opt for a self tacker, then the sail area on the 349 will drop and hence it will be slower. The 345 was designed from the start to have a self tacker. Hopefully, when you buy a boat you are going to have it for a long time, so really think hard about the sailing you are going to do. It is not good to buy a boat, unless you are really comfortable with it, otherwise you will regret the choice for a long time.
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Martin&Rene Hanse 341 Dipper Wheel steering, 3 cabin layout, normally based in Scotland
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bigcat
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 02:10 |
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Hi Martin & Rene,
great points, thanks so much! We don't plan to do extensive cruising with the boat and our previous boat, a Catalina 320, didn't have much readily available storage either, but it's still a thing to look at. Regarding the dual doors to the front cabin, it does seem to create the idea of more 'open' space, but in practice I wonder if one would keep them open or closed...defeating that purpose. It is very helpful to point out these subtle differences that one may not immediately think about. Keep them coming  By the way, on the 345, where is the swim ladder stored? I believe on the 349 it folds inside the swim platform but on the 345 it does not? |
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Mark&Catherine
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 02:34 |
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Coming back too, one thing from the 320 you will miss is the big cock pit locker if you go for 3 cabins. We have 2 so we have somewhere for the fenders, buckets, swim ladder and so on. This is probably the same on both your choices though
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Mark&Catherine
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 02:42 |
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The double doors would be great when racing, we get our spinnaker bags stuck in the door all the time, it's a small issue, but I can see my frame and door will suffer if we race for long.
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