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Fendant 
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 Posted: 11 February 2014 at 03:54 |
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Big Cat, the ladder on the 345 is stored in the starboard cockpit locker. If you want to rescue a person from the water, you first have to lower the stern platform , the open the locker, get the ladder out, unfold it and then on the open unprotected platform slot it into the two tubes. Imagine you have to do this in a seastate 5, chances that you loose the ladder and/or another person is imho close to 100%.
Having the ladder integrated into the platform is a BIG
 plus for the Jeanneau ( also for the Dufour ) from a practical and a safety aspect. Unfortunately you can not retrofit on a Hanse this important feature. The laminate in the platform is too thin and there is no easy way to reinforce it from the inside. The emergency ladder in the stern is a joke, don't think that even a circus acrobat will be able to climb it without help.BTW, how is the solution on the BAV 37 now ?
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Mark&Catherine
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 07:35 |
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better to drop the platform and throw a line with a loop in it (or a proper rescue line) and pull, it would be quicker than even the emergency ladder and more likely to succeed as long as the person in the water can pop it over his head. I dont think I would bother with any ladder in a force 5 and i cant see how someone would get the ones stowed in the bathing platform out in a bouncy sea without potential injury either.
Having said all that its a pity that the ladder isn't stowed in the platform just better when going for a swim and no chance of letting go!
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385 ubulukutu sail number GBR 3350L in Turkey and Greece with Mark and Catherine
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Peter-Blake
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 08:33 |
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My question has always been: Is a bathing platform a save platform at sea? I do not think so! Every higher wave will push the platform upwards. I would not step onto it in a strong wave situation.
The same goes to the hidden liferaftposition. Many boats (also Hanses) have the liferaft hidden behind the closed (upright) bathing platform. I would like to see a test in strong wind with strong waves and a sinking boat. How will it be with a constantly up and down-folding platform by waves? Therfore: I am happy not having a bathing platform! BTW We are diverting from the topic.... |
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Yeoman
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 08:59 |
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Hi All,
Just out of interest all current Hanses are fitted with an emergency pull out ladder on the transom which can be deployed easily by the person in the water if needed.
This is in addition to the bathing ladder
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Phil
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Fendant
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 16:08 |
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Hi Phil,
has someone ever tried out this ladder? Or is it just to satisfy some stupid CE requirement? I did try it out last summer and I had utmost difficulties to get on board in a mirror flat sea, it was impossible without help from above |
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Yeoman
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 17:21 |
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Hi Frank,
I would think it is to satisfy the requirements mainly and I have never tried to use one thankfully.
I really enjoy threads like this and it is important to remember that although the designers keep a close eye on the safety aspects of their designs this is not the only thing they consider when designing.
I would expect that if you were in a situation that sinking was a real prospect the raft would be out and launched ready.
Interestingly I was discussing this with a colleague who has sailed many many thousands of miles and he would not go for a coachroof mounted liferaft as he had it ripped off the deck of a Halberg Rassy in a storm and had watch it fly away!
I guess there is no perfect solution to anything but it is interesting to see what each builder does.
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Phil
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Mark&Catherine
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 17:27 |
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I might try the ladder for fun, the water is still warm here
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samuel
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Posted: 11 February 2014 at 18:39 |
At last someone agrees with me. I did make a comment on another post on this forum some years ago. My coachroof is held in place with 6 screws. Perfectly OK for the job but totally inadequate once you add the weight of a liferaft My liferaft sits under the mainsheet track in the cockpit where I have to step over the track so may as well step over the liferaft as well Edited by samuel - 11 February 2014 at 18:41 |
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Martin&Rene
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Posted: 06 March 2014 at 13:26 |
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Going back to the original question, I have just seen a short review in Yachting Monthly and it made me look at the 349 brochure again and think about the actual basics of the boat. Both the jib and main sheeting systems seem rather basic, with little purchase on the main and they are running jib sheets through Vectran rings. The jib furling line has a horrible run and it will be tough to furl the jib.
As mentioned before, it is really hard to look at a new boat and see all the small points that you are going to like and dislike through its long life. Since you own a boat already, start by noting down at all the things you like and dislike on your boat and then look at the options. The choice nowadays seems to be going more to "do you want a sailing boat?" (and I am happy with my Hanse) or "do you wanting a floating apartment?".
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bigcat
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Posted: 06 March 2014 at 23:59 |
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Martin&Rene, where did you see the Yachting Monthly review? Was it online or in print?
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